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[Konsaki]

I think that would lower the value of the program, i would see people getting rank 3 programs just to save money cause most people dont get more than 6 successes unless they have an ungodly pool.
Logic 10 + Skill 7 + Hot Sim (2) = Max pool of 19 dice for matrix actions unless you have some adept hacker munchkin... :cyber:
Most hackers would have on average logic 4-5 and skill 4-5 with hotsim. This leads to an average of 3-5 hits per roll. With programs limiting hits to their rank*1 they mean more and you will see more rank 4-5 programs.

[Big D]

You have to figure out what to do when you have no program, though.

With magic, it's simple... you can't cast what you don't know.

With hacking, it just doesn't quite make sense that you can't disarm that data bomb because you don't have a purpose-built program with you.

I was also wondering... is there any reason why a TM *shouldn't* carry a commlink with a few programs on it to balance out their weak points? It will take a heck of a lot of karma to get CFs raised to 6 everywhere.

[FanGirl]

[Konsaki]

Off the top of my head, if the person didnt have a Hacking program, Disable Databomb for example, they couldnt do it. If they didnt have a Normal one like Search, then they default to 1 cause all the normal ones come with your OS in the RAW.
For TM IMO they cant use Hacker skills like they use their TM skills. Hacking (Hacker) and Hacking ™ are 2 entirely different things. He would have to skill in both... The plus side is they dont really have to cause they can always thread a CF they dont have. It is just a pain to do. :P
All that said about the TM, it doesnt mean they CANT carry around a commlink. Infact IMO they should if just to be a decoy. :D
Edit: I agree with FanGirl on that Houserule. It makes TM and Hackers a little more even IMO.

[FanGirl]

Yes, that's what I just said I'm doing! If a TM uses a commlink frequently (but never for shady stuff) then it's much harder to pin anything on him.

EDIT: Actually, you're agreeing with Emo; it was all his idea.

[Konsaki]

*Shoots self in head* :dead:

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[Geekkake]

[Kyoto Kid]

[The Jopp]

In order to avoid the ”Idiot Savant” syndrome (logic 1 hacker with whizbang software and commlink) that can hack just about anything but is a drooling idiot everywhere else. We did the following:

Logic: A characters understanding of how a program works, its limitations and versatility in a given situation

Intuition: A characters understanding in how to exploit the programs abilities in unusual ways and an imaginative mind to come up with unusual solutions.

The maximum rating of a program a character can use is (Logic+Intuition) / 2.

This solution means that you *need* a certain level of intelligence and intuitive mind in order to fully use a complex program. In the case of the Idiot Savant it *could* be a wonder child with a logic of 1 and Intuition 7 who could use a rating 4 program but they should be rare, very rare (mostly because their survival in the shadows would be almost nil.)

This way your Logic and Intuition functions like some version of Response since it effectively limits your effective program rating.

[Kremlin KOA]

which runs counter to Canon history

as the High Logic Government Hackers Died at the Hands of the '29 crash Virus

But a bunch of Intuitive Mavericks (high Intuition, Low Logic) Roxored the Soxors of the virus.

FanPro got this one right
Deal with it.
(Synner: See, when you guys do good I acknowledge it."

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Not really - they took the most gifted kids... which would have a higher logic than the agents, in fact. ;)

[Kremlin KOA]

No
They took Gifted Mavericks

Now I don't know abotu you, but In my experience, most maverick hackers I know are very high on the intuition, although their logic and planning leaves someting to be desired

[The Jopp]

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[Kremlin KOA]

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[Serbitar]

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?act=...ndpost&p=302082

[Kremlin KOA]

FanPro, please shut this complaint up
Move all computer skills to be linked to intuition, to reflct the Echo Mirage stories

[The Jopp]

[The Jopp]

[Aaron]

While I was thinking this whole issue over, I thought about my parents. They're both highly intelligent (high Logic Attribute), but not very computer savvy. I recalled all of the various times I was called upon to fix, support, or otherwise assist them. Consider, if you will:

• My mother was looking for Irish songs with the name Sarah in them. She knew that Google was a popular search engine (the Browse program), so she used it. She began by typing in various search strings (including "Sarah" and "Irish Songs"), but she didn't get what she wanted; her Data Search skill was low to non-existant. She called her son, who used the same program with a better skill rating. No attributes involved.
• My father was dealing with a very slow computer, especially during anything involving disc access. I told him to defragment his hard drive, which didn't help him. I told him to use the defragging program that came with his operating system (I suppose that would be Edit for the program? Yes, for copying data), and that didn't help him either. I had to use the program myself (with my Computer skill) to get the job done. No attributes involved.
• This isn't family-related, but I had a particularly unwise student who was none too bright. Somehow, he learned where to get some scripts to hack the school's network. He studied up on how to use the scripts and how to exploit the (old, creaky) network, and applied what he had learned (his Hacking skill, or rather a specialization) and the scripts (Exploit program) and compromised the network. Then, to show his low Logic Attribute, bragged about it to everybody who would listen. Except for the bragging, no attributes involved.

So it looks like if it's entirely in the Matrix, one's Attributes don't matter; it's all about the proggies.

[The Jopp]

[hobgoblin]

round and round and round we go, where it will end, nobody knows...

[The Jopp]