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 Invisibility and infilitration? |
 May 1 2006, 11:06 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,213  |
Why was wondering if an invisible person can use infiltration to hide from astral perception? My reason for someone to do so is because people who astrally project can hide from watchers or people watching astrally.
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May 1 2006, 11:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
Quite the opposite; a sustained invisibility spell is extremely noticeable on the astral plane. I don't know if it's literally the "beacon/light of the Sun" some folks on the forum make it out to be, but I reckon magical activity certainly draws an astral eye or two. As it were. |
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May 1 2006, 11:09 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Infultration can be used against astrally present beings. However invisbility does not hide auras, so it does not aid here.
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May 1 2006, 11:10 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
By the RAW, they can... even if not perceiving astrally. Just, the fact that they are invisible physically doesn't mean a thing on the astral plan. ;) |
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May 1 2006, 11:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
Does the much-vaunted astral obviousness convey any sort of modifiers you're aware of? |
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May 1 2006, 11:13 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
In SR3 [active spells] reduced the TN for astral patrols, but did not affect astral perception tests. Foci, spells, and being astrally present all reduced the patroller's TN, but it was unclear exactly what that meant other than the spirit being aware of an intrusion.
Astral perception already has the advantage of negating darkness... However, one could argue that the astral being could make a second perception test for each spell and spirit with the character. |
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May 1 2006, 11:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,213 |
Wait. Let we explain the situation. It was a heavy fog so the mage was using astral perception and there were two men in the fire escape hiding and invisible. So I am wondering if infilitration will hide them in the astral plane.
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May 1 2006, 11:51 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Yes.
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May 2 2006, 10:53 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Yes.
Arguably there should be a modifier to the perception (or assessing) test because the spell makes it more obvious. Edward |
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May 2 2006, 04:45 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
You'd think it would lower the threshold from whatever 2 is described as ("normal" or something along those lines) to 1 (which is "obvious").
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May 2 2006, 10:04 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
It would give a +2 bonus at best... the modifier for objects that stand out.
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May 2 2006, 11:16 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Ah, right.. because this is Opposed.
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May 2 2006, 11:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
My SR4-fu is weak [shame :(] but I remember in SR3 visibility modifiers other than darkness effected you equally on the astral plane as they did the physical plane. So smoke or fog would give you a modifier to astral perception as well. |
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May 3 2006, 11:44 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
They affected you, but to a lesser extent.
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