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nezumi
post May 4 2006, 09:54 PM
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Look at biofibre and other barriers.

You cannot astrally pass through living organisms.

Earth - Dirt - contains billions of microscopic living organsisms per cubic foot.

In 2nd edition you couldn't pass through living material (although I suppose you could move it out of the way, or it ignores microorganisms or something, since you could move through the air). 3rd edition explicitly says you CAN pass through living things (and there are rules for noticing this). All the biofibers listed are specially grown because they're an exception to the rule (hence the incredible price). In 2nd edition every secure building had normal ivy growing up the sides. Now they have specialized ivy that costs $5,000 a yard.

In 2nd edition you couldn't move through the earth not because the earth contains living stuff (after all, solid rock or magma doesn't contain living stuff, but a square foot of air certainly does, and that doesn't seem to stop mages!) but because the EARTH is a living thing, with its own, independent aura. With 3rd edition that changed and you can't pass through the earth because... it's the earth?
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post May 4 2006, 11:09 PM
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I think there may be a way to reconcile the divide between two different ideas here. One idea is that Earth may not be permeable due to organisms therein, and the other being Earth has an aura due to being an astral entity (of some undefined sort). The two ideas are not necessarily independent.

For example, we know that you can astrally project through ordinary, mundane, non-perceiving people that are not dual natured. They throw an aura on to the astral, but they are not astrally present. Thus the idea that Earth blocks astral projection due to the content of life doesn't seem so valid. Kudos for the counter-point!

So, why did that idea take hold in the first place? After thinking about it, I came to the conclusion that the reason I adopted the idea had less to do with the presence of life, and more to do with, "How do I dissociate between dirt that is Earth, and ... dirt?" And I found that for some reason I identified the ability to support life as a condition for dirt being a part of Earth, and thus possessing an astral presense.

Maybe we should consider building a list of prerequisites for determining whether dirt a part of the Earthen something that projects a planet sized astral presense.

1. Ability to support life?
2. Low concentration of highly processed materials?
3. Physical proximity? I.E. must it be rooted to other dirt that qualifies as Earth, such that you could draw a line from dirt to more dirt to more dirt that eventually goes down to the molten core?

Experiment on point 3. If filled in a strip mine with highly processed plasteel, and then filled the giant "cup" with living earth, would that space be astrally dead? Or would it be absorbed by the identity of Earth?
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