 The Doberman Exception |
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 May 4 2006, 03:04 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,447  |
I noticed something screwy about the doberman drone and the law. A doberman drone has a free weapon mount on it. Yet it has an availibility raiting of six, perfectly legal. However a weapon mount is fobidden level. Is this a system inconsistancy or the result of owned congressmen?
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May 4 2006, 03:07 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Dobermans were mass marketed for a long time and there are a lot of them floating around now, which makes them fairly easy to get in the shadows.
I don't knowif it's canon, but it works for me. :) |
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May 4 2006, 03:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,447 |
I meant more of the legality status then the availibility.
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May 4 2006, 03:27 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Ah, I missed that. The doberman itself is perfectly legal. If you gett he free weapon mount the entire package becomes F. I would only shift it to F if there were actually a weapon in the mount myself.
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May 4 2006, 03:52 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
it comes with a weapon james
read the description |
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May 4 2006, 04:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 8-November 05 From: Toronto, Ontario - Canada Member No.: 7,934 |
Yes, but presumably the mount can serve other purposes too, beyond holding a weapon. Maybe the 'civillian' model comes with an arm, fire extinguisher, or some other doohickey mounted where the weapon mount is. |
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May 4 2006, 04:53 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 65 Joined: 30-May 02 From: South Jersey Member No.: 2,798 |
I want a doohickey! I will pay $50 for one!
SR3 was the same way. Just do whatever works with your group. |
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May 4 2006, 04:55 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Sadly , this reminds me of Short Circuit 2 (old movie). Now if you just have a doberman with a really good pilot program get hit by lightning and become sentient.... |
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May 4 2006, 04:56 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 17-November 05 From: Halifax, Canada Member No.: 7,975 |
As not all firearms are forbidden, I would say to have a Doberman would require a valid or fake owners license... as you would have any weapon.
Just make sure you don't mount your Doberman with a forbidden weapon or amunition. Having a Doberman protect your household isn't that much different than having a dog or having a registered gun in your home by 2070. |
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May 4 2006, 04:58 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Except that the dog is a registered gun.. with full auto capability and heavy armor.
And your average dog or handgun can't be hacked and sent on a rampage. Which is why your average Dog or Gun sucks. This post has been edited by fistandantilus3.0: May 4 2006, 04:59 AM |
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May 4 2006, 05:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 Member No.: 8,455 |
Oh, good grief.
Now I'm going to have images of a Doberman/Aibo mix with LMG mounted Dynamutt-style on the back all night. |
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May 4 2006, 05:03 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
awesome
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May 4 2006, 11:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 801 Joined: 13-March 06 Member No.: 8,374 |
Here is the way I look at it.
WHen you buy a gun mount, you are retrofitting somthing not intended to have a weapon to have a weapon. now a doberman is pretty much a home security drone. It has a free weapons mount because, well, it is designed for shotin'. but untill you actually get a weapon there, whats it matter if you have a license |
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May 4 2006, 01:44 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Er ... I don't have the book in front of me, but I thought it came with a weapon mount, not a weapon. That means you could put something legal (or licensed) on it and use it for home defense (or home defence in Europe) or something. I think Divine Virus is right about the retrofit being the illegal thing, not the one that comes with the Doberman. |
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May 4 2006, 01:56 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
It actually says "Comes equipped with one weapon (LMG or smaller)", but since that represents quite a wide range of price in comparison to the overall drone I just take it to mean that you buy the drone and that you pick out the accessory at the extra price and availability.
If a player was being a rules lawyer prick about it? Being dull witted i'd likely just resort to violence. But maybe a better way would be that it says it comes with one weapon, not with the purchaser's choice of weapon. Have the supplier strap one of these bad boys into the "standard" model. Upgrades available at extra cost, pending government licensing...or appropriate sized bribe. :) |
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May 4 2006, 03:23 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
or just put the word "mount" into the "Comes equipped with one weapon (LMG or smaller)", and presto it all makes sense (kinda)...
still, there is the steel lynx to take into account. it have a availability of 12R. and the text for it contains "carries one weapon (LMG or smaller). but i guess this is classical SR. each time the main book comes out, the vehicle stuff is confusing as hell. it becomes marginaly less with the rigger book, and then comes a new main book shortly after that... |
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May 4 2006, 04:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
I'm working on the Rigger conversion! All will be made clear in time. They were apparently squeezed for time and space releasing SR4 so Rigger's and vehicles got the shaft. Ah well.
Along with my Rigger conversion I'm also going to release an alternate (more detailed) "chase" combat system. One that actually takes the speed of the vehicle into account. Sorry, that just ticks me off. "Why do I need a Eurocar? I can catch up to him with a tricycle if I roll well enough..." Sheesh. |
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May 4 2006, 09:00 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I like it. I wonder if they make a Sidewinder? |
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May 4 2006, 09:16 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Nerf gun? I have killed GMs for less But on a more serious note This has always been a wierd bit about SR drones LS Strato 9 back in SR3 had a gun that was worth more than the trone built in, and it was always one specific gun I can agree with the price bit, not so sure on the avail bit after all ya can get these puppies legally with a fake SIN |
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May 4 2006, 09:19 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Explain to me how you can legally get something with a fake SIN? Isn't *everything* you do with a fake SIN (including having it) illegal? |
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May 4 2006, 09:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
I meant that the doberman is not restricted, thus you can ignore avail rules if your fake SIN passes muster at the store
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Jun 5 2006, 02:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
It does say that it comes with one weapon up to LMG, but our group saysa that you have to pay seperatly for that weapon otherwise you could order it with a LMG (2k) Get the two autosoft rating 3 programs (1.2k) for only 3k.
Why should the Drone only cost 1k after the weapon |
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Jun 5 2006, 03:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
I say you would have to pay extra for your weapon of choice. and limit availibility to 12 as standard. dobeman with an ingram LMG will cost 5,000 plus, and be F legality. you really want to belt-feed that bad boy. the trick then is getting a van to hide your drone in, and move it to and from the target zone.
Really, i suspect the drone by itself (without a gun) is legal because of lobying by the corp that makes them. the megacorp puts pressure on the goverment to allow its product, while it creates jobs and dosent pay any taxes. |
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