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 May 9 2006, 10:37 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319  |
Lot of talk about organised religion here. But what about the mix-your-own beliefs of the average wageslave? IMO the Awakening has probably increased the number of people who would say that they believe in 'some sort of God', but that doesn't necessarily mean they're into any organised religion in any serious way.
If this was realistic, then it seems to me that Science / rationalism would take the biggest hit in terms of the beliefs of your everyday joe. In a world where dragons, elves, magic etc have become real and just about anything is possible then rationalism (and skepticism) hardly has a leg to cling to. The fact that science has achieved anything since the Awakening is probably only thanks to the tech-hungry corps. And I say this, as a fervent rationalist, with a tear in my eye! |
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May 9 2006, 01:53 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
A major corporation will likely have support for several mainstream religions. I'm sure the arcology has a few different chapels/temples where people can worship and be mentored by Renraku hired ministers on the virtue of hard work and loyalty. I suspect that hierarchical religions like Catholicism will not be as popular as denominations with a flatter political structure, because having someone above the Renraku hired minister means the company is giving up control. So we can expect something like a Renraku 'version' of Catholicism, that perhaps is not officially recognized by the Vatican, but does hire ex-Catholic ministers and keeps the same traditions, so most people don't really mind so much.
Religions like Shintoism and philosophies of Confuscianism will be more popular, since they encourage people to give up their own self for the greater good of their community. Simultaneously, individualistic religions like unadulterated wicca will be distinctly unpopular. So I'm sure they'll have special off-shoots of wicca (or whatever individualistic religion is popular in the arcology) that is intentionally more communal based. Over all, religion is a very useful tool that no corporation wants to simply lose. They'd prefer that the company is the central point of the religion, but I'd doubt they'd want to be quite so overt about it, so just keep religion as a useful tool to encourage productivity, passivity, loyalty, honesty and strength. |
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May 9 2006, 02:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Yeah! The power of Christ com. . . .aw, forget it. :D I know that I already disagree with you about whaling on Humanis members just because they're Humanis members (Emo's for it because he feels that they're the no-holds-barred punching bags of SR, I'm against it because I feel that you need a more tangible reason to whale on people--for example, "Hey! They're ganging up on that guy!") So pretty please try to keep the blasphemy to a minimum? :) |
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May 9 2006, 02:22 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
My Sprawl will have a mish-mash of religions; apocalypse cults, Wicca sects, street churches that do good, shamans with groupies, and crazy people.
And I won't even have Christianity in my campaign, unless there's a crazy priest-mage who summons a fucking angel of death. Then I'd have it. |
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May 9 2006, 02:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Okay, fair enough. :D
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May 9 2006, 02:26 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Oh, and prominent Humanis members with random prices on their heads. You can kill those.
I mean, even if you were the happy suburban type of Humanis member, if you're banding together with other people because you're part of the master race, you're a douchebag. A douchebag with two cars, 2.2 kids, and a Golden Retriever, but still a douchebag. So kill all the members you want; I'm sure that even if he takes his kids to the park, he still wants to rip the ears off of elves. |
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May 9 2006, 02:59 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
So Renraku is, in effect, Red China? Does that mean there would be an underground RCC backed by the Vatican? And given their existence, would the Templars and New Jesuits be waging a war against Renraku in their own arcs to protect and liberate "real" Catholics? |
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May 9 2006, 03:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
Only with people who think their way is the ONLY way. I am shinto, my best friend is a Wiccan. We have no problems. |
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May 9 2006, 03:56 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Which is probably why those two religions are gaining tons of support in Shadowrun. The ones that gain power in SR are either those that thrive on diversity, or those that thrive on oppression.
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May 9 2006, 04:00 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Not at all. He's only concerned about the wellfare of his chldren. By the time his children are old enough to enter the workforce there will be 50 year-old elves with 30 years of experience doing the jobs that they would get otherwise and being paid three of four times as much for it because of their experience. While a 50-year-old human would be nearing retirement and a 50-year-old ork or troll would already be dead a 50-year-old elf is still practically a teenager physically. --------------- As for SR Religion: Catholic priests - called nuns - revere the saints. Nuns are traditionally, but not always, female. -Blatently and shamelessly stolen from Ed Simons |
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May 9 2006, 04:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
I meant in RL, but yeah. It makes sense. |
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May 9 2006, 04:22 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
That could be a fun sub-plot for a game, and an interesting way to portray Renraku. I might use this. |
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May 9 2006, 05:01 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Or you could smuggle a bunch of them out of Aztlan. Aztlan sucks.
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May 9 2006, 05:25 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Um Humanis is endorsed and Protected By the UCAS constitution
many metasaren't |
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May 9 2006, 05:26 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
That doesn't matter to runners who are well-paid or pissed off enough.
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May 9 2006, 05:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
you miss my point
if Lone Star catch a Humanis member Murdering a Sinless meta, he gets off with a fine for littering If Lone star catch a Sinless meta murdering a Humanis member.. the penalty is death (less paperwork) |
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May 9 2006, 05:34 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Yeah, Humanis is a punching bag in my campaign. How does everyone else treat it?
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May 9 2006, 05:40 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
The way it is written up
Runers may hit them often but don;t get caught doing so, they have powerful friends in government. Lone Star has like 30%+ of its officers as card Carrying Humanis members (which is why orks almost never make detective) |
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May 9 2006, 05:44 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
And keep in mind, as has been pointed out, many (in fact, I daresay most) people of the humanis mindset don't feel violence towards metas. In fact they would very much like to live in peace with metas, but let the metas have their country and humans have their own. The elves seem to understand that for the most part, since they stole California, but some just want to take jobs us normal people really can't hope to compete with.
So no, most humanis members won't go to the park and think of pulling ears off. They'll just feel envious when they watch that elven kid get picked up in a beamer they can't hope to afford, and realize that same kid is getting breaks at the expense of everyone else, including good, hard working human kids. |
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May 9 2006, 05:45 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
But they still have the Ku Klux Klan masks, too, right?
And are elves favored in employment or something? That doesn't seem logical... |
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May 9 2006, 05:49 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Think about it on the elves thing
a 59 year old elf (the oldest NON IE non sin topike baby)2070has the body of a 20 year old and 31 years experience in work, if he followed a single career he could be well on his way to the top, with no sign of slowing down any tme soon |
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May 9 2006, 05:55 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
He'd outlive the CEO and live to see the company grow giganticer than it already is.
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May 9 2006, 07:49 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Like pretty much everything else in SR - the opposite of what most people in the books, think. |
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May 9 2006, 09:15 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
He's more likely to BECOME the CEO, and even if he has n o aspirations for greatness, his medical costs are far, far lower, plus he's more charismatic so he's more likely to get little bennies. The only question is, will a job pay for an elf's pension after the standard amount of time (which means a company is paying far, far more for an elf than for a human, and sufficient elves may drive the company bankrupt), or do they require the elf to work indefinitely before getting that pension, which means the elf is almost guaranteed to eventually make his way to the top echelons in a large corp. |
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May 9 2006, 10:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
I think it's funny that you assume pensions still exist in Shadowrun.
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