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 an old edge/flaw in the new game. |
 May 8 2006, 09:08 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 27-February 06 Member No.: 8,316  |
An edge and its corresponding flaw that I've ported into the new game is
SOTA= 10 points for every level you take it,you can buy equipment with an availability 2 higher than normal. LOTEK= -10 for every level that you take it, the availability of equipment that you can buy is reduced by 2 Young Looking= -5 or 10 (not sure which) These characters liook too young to be taken seriously... the thirteen year old girl who is a killer hacker, the geeky kid mage whatever. they have a hard time in certain social situations, bars etc. this of course can work to the characters advantage in other situations, who expects a thirteen year old to be casing a joint... but it doesn't last usually past the first encounter. This can also be assigned to characters without any bonus buikld points if they're actually quite young. |
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May 8 2006, 09:22 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I'd make being young be a larger flaw than being young looking. One requires a fake ID to get around, the other is just annoying.
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May 8 2006, 09:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
It would be interesting if a Seductress shaman took this edge/flaw.
Shaman: Are you sure we couldn't work something out? I mean, if you can feel me-- Guy: Hey, get offa me! I'm not into jailbait! |
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May 8 2006, 10:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,447 |
Young looking needs to have some sort of restriction based on body or strength. After all how many 10 strength young looking trolls are there?
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May 9 2006, 12:10 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
AGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!! *Tears rivers of blood down cheeks in the hopes the pain will make him forget* |
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May 9 2006, 12:23 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
with steroids abuse, maybe a lot more then you think... hell, isnt there a kid that if you didnt see his face and had a size refrence you would swear is the next mr. universe? if a person had the "young looking" flaw, i would hazard that his nickname is babyface :P (ie, head large for the body, roundish, and for males, clean shaven without a indication of aftergrowth). |
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May 9 2006, 01:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
:| mmmkay then. . . .How do you tear a river? Aren't rivers supposed to be liquid? And yes, the little dialogue was horribly, horribly cheesy, but there's nothing wrong with that . . . .Is there? EDIT: Maybe "cheesy" isn't the problem. In fact, I'm not sure what your exact issue is with that post. Care to elaborate? |
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May 9 2006, 02:22 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Yes, there is. Everybody is into jailbait. Those who say they aren't are liars. It is simple evolutionary psycology. Younger individuals have a better chance of producing more and healthier offspring. And age of consent laws are inately wrong in much the same way as laws permiting slavery and taxation without representation are.
Of course, the chances of Age of Consent laws remaining in the UCAS rather than falling by the wayside on the route to political progress is quite low. Homosexual polygamous marriage is legal. Homosexual polygamous marriage to someone undeer the age of 18 probably is, too. We've actually have threads about this before. Age of Consent laws should be limited only to the most sexually conservative of jurisdictions |
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May 9 2006, 02:31 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
You know, some people have a fetish for old people. Evolutionary psycology is an interesting idea, but if social pressures prevent you from enjoying something, it doesn't make you a liar. Guilt is evolutionary, too. |
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May 9 2006, 02:38 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Many people have fetishes for many things. Having a fetish for dogs doesn't prevent one from enjoying the company of humans and having a fetish for old people doesn't prevent one from enjoying the young.
And it is possible to lie to oneself. Also, while ephebophilia is currently classified as a paraphillia many within the psycological community feel that it should be regarded as a mainstream sexual practice instead. |
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May 9 2006, 03:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
hyzmarca, in response to your concerns about the morality of age of consent laws, I would just like to say that I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with sleeping with someone below a certain numerical age. Sure, I feel it's generally best that people try to follow the law, but I also feel that the only kind of "underage" sex that's morally wrong is the kind where the one partner is exploiting the emotional immaturity of the other partner--not necessarily his or her numerical immaturity.
Of course, people have the right to their own opinions on the subject, and they have the right to express those opinions--just like "Guy" does in my short dialogue. Notice that I don't make any specific judgments about Guy's morality; I just have him make an explicit statement about his sexual preferences. I don't even suggest whether or not he's telling the truth about his preferences, or indeed whether the Seductress Shaman is below the "age of consent." In fact, if the shaman were above the AOC (which is quite possible, since I've deliberately left it up in the air), then Guy's fears of "robbing the cradle" would be completely unfounded. I guess the crux of what I'm saying is that it's morally okay to make up characters whose opinions happen to be different than your own, and that's why there's nothing wrong with my dialogue. :D |
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May 9 2006, 03:06 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And if you convince yourself that you don't enjoy something, then you don't enjoy it, and therefore aren't lying anymore. My point is that society is a product of evolution, and if a society that enforces age of concent grows, then age of concent becomes part of evolutionary psycology. With the technology and society we have today, the age of the mother is less important - even adding benefits to age of concent. This post has been edited by Kanada Ten: May 9 2006, 03:10 AM |
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May 9 2006, 04:03 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...The original Violet in SR3 had it. Really made it hard to set up meets since most usually happen at clubs or bars. Also it happened to get one player in the group (out of character mind you) perpetually torqued off at her. Won't be taking it again. |
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May 9 2006, 04:08 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
The old flaws I would like to see come to SR4 are:
Phobia Distinctive Style (or something similar as the opposite to Blandness) Hunted Hung out to Dry Flashbacks |
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May 9 2006, 04:22 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 17-November 05 From: Halifax, Canada Member No.: 7,975 |
Thing about this is that your average 18 year old elf probably only looks to be a 13 or 14 year old human... so now we have to define what 'looks like' jailbait. ;) Unless you see the person's ID, there's some times no way to tell. |
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May 9 2006, 05:55 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Dranem that is true today
I have met 21 year olds that look prepubescent and 13 year olds who look 20 I always check ID now |
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May 9 2006, 05:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,447 |
Well here's two of them. Phobia: A character with this has a severe fear of something. They will not willingly approach it without making a composure test (4). If it's forced onto them they will try to resist reguardless of it's logical effects. Example: George is deathly afraid of doctors. He will resist being healed despite the six boxes of physical damage. Bonus: 10BP, for uncommonly triggered phobias. 15BP for commonly triggered phobias, 20BP, for phobias of hospitals, or medkits. Distinctive Style: Something about this character sticks out like a sore thumb, maybe their too tall or short, have distinctive markings, their fashion sense is unique. Anyone attempting to shadow or phhyscially locate them through social means or even slightly crowded rooms results recieves a +2 bonus to locate them. Bonus: 10 BP |
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May 9 2006, 05:31 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
But that isn't really true. Age is still as important a factor as it once was and lessened fertility due to increased age can only be remedied with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical procedures. Of couse, even the best medical care can't mitigate the fact that increasing age leads to increasing genetic mutations which can cause serious genetic diseases in offspring. Also, pregnacy at a young age decreases the risk of devolping breast cancer later in life. Does anyone want to have breast cancer? Sue, it can be treated with surgery and radiation but that is a whole lot of trouble to go through. But more importantly it would take tens (if nor hundreds) of thousand years of enforcing an age of consent with deadly consequences for natural selection to select against ephebophilia in a sizable population. ---- Sea Madness has always been an interesting flaw. Free points for the landlubber, at first, but eaily exploitable by a cruel GM. |
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May 9 2006, 05:57 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
heh, here is how i think it works (personal opinion all the way). young females will have a longer time where they can give birth and so on. a older male indicates that he have the genetic structures to better survive. therefor the best natural combo is a old male and a young female. cue lolita... |
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May 9 2006, 06:24 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I think the best natural combo involves me and a young female. My wife may disagree.
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May 9 2006, 07:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 Member No.: 8,455 |
Surprised you didn't mention harems, there...
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May 9 2006, 07:27 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
good point
for my DNA to have the best chance of living forever a harem of young femaes is my best shot |
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May 9 2006, 08:36 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Young mothers don't have fully developed rational thought, are less educated, and generally have a smaller pool of resources to draw from in order to raise a healthy child. They are even less likely to raise a child that becomes a benefit to society, and less likely to themselves become benefits to it - thus society discourages them. I was reading a really great blog based on the psycology of the human "hive" mind just yesterday (*Stephen Kosslyn).
However, with cosmetic surgery, hormone control, genetic engineering, and elves; someone's taste in sex can be accommodated easily, without removing consent laws (imagine legal concerns beyond just sex). After all, we're not really trying to reproduce anymore so the appearance of youth can actually be more satisfying than the real thing. |
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May 9 2006, 09:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 27-February 06 Member No.: 8,316 |
ya know, i never realized just how quickly a thread could veer totally off in another direction. Of the 20 odd posts on this topic (edges and flaws) maybe 5 were about the positive and negative qualities.
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May 9 2006, 10:07 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
All of these facts are the result of society's discouragement, not the cause of it. This is obvious when observing societies that do encourage individuals to start families at an early age. Support networks such as extended families and friends easily counterbalance any lack of financial resources when it comes to child-rearing but modern Western society has seen fit to tear down these support structures brick-by-brick and replace them with ineffectual and costly public programs. Education can be dealt with simply by making education more accessible to young parents. Experience shows that regimented education systems are less effective than flexible alternatives for all concerned and changes that would make education available to more parents would also make it more effective for everyone else. Less developed rational thought may just as well be an effect of the social juvenilization of society. At one time, in some societies are considered to be adults at very young ages and are given adult responsibilities at very young ages. Historically, these individuals are no less reasoned or competent than people who become "adults" at 21. In fact, it seems that individuals who are treated as adults at an early age are more responsible later in life that the perpetual children of today's Western societies do. There is also the matter of population maintainance to consider and the economic impact of a growing retired population with fewer young workers to replace them. Currently, most European countries are experiencing fertility rates that are below the replacement rate. In other words, population in these countries is dwindling because not enough individuals are being born to replace those who have died. The United States exists at slightly above replacement fertility only because of the unusually high incidence of teenage pregnancy due to worse-than-useless abstinence only sex education. Of course, a slowly dwindling population may not be such a bad thing on its own. There are six billion people in the world. Plenty, some might say. If we could half that in a generation it wouldn't be so bad. However, we can't half that in a generation because the older generations will still be around. And the previous generation will retire around the time the new one enters the work force. And it is here you have the problem. The One-Two-Four problem is especially obvious and dangerous with China's restrictive reproduction policies but a milder form will come to pass in every part of the industrialized world fairly soon. Given average life expectancy, average age of retirement, and average retirement income the average only child born today will have to provide financial support for 6 adults soon after entering the workforce. Even at replacement fertility rates, 100% employment rate, and with ample social programs to ensure the welfare of retired persons, it is a fact that each working individual will have to support three retired individuals since Social programs are funded with the worker's tax dollars and retirement funds are paid for with their labor. Raising the retirement age can help with this problem but it is ultimately insufficient and leads to elderly people who are physically unable to work being without financial support because they weren't old enough to retire. Putting a red crystal in the back of everyone's right hand at birth is another potential solution but it is a bit draconian and few people would consider supporting it. The most economically reliable solution is to ensure a sufficient workforce by encouraging and rewarding teenage pregnancy. With the exception of hysterical Malthusians who seen deadly overpopulation where there is none those who deny that it can be good for teenagers to have children are both shortsighted and willfully ignorant of the vast majority of human history. |
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