Another astral question, with time with more foci in every bite! |
Another astral question, with time with more foci in every bite! |
May 19 2006, 02:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 16-December 05 From: new jack city Member No.: 8,077 |
i just got a question pop into my head; if all foci are dual natured when on, can you in theory have a foci other then weapon in form of a sword or any other weapon and do damage on astral on it. Like if i have a sword as a power foci, and i turned it on, would i be able to look on astral and hit a astral being with that sword and hurt him?
**ps: i meant this time with more foci :twirl: ** |
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May 19 2006, 03:02 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
I'd buy that. Of course, the non-weapon focus wouldn't give any additional dice for the attack. And you'd have to use your Willpower + Astral Combat for the attack, and probably just your (Cha/2) for damage (as with an improvised club).
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May 19 2006, 03:17 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Imay go so far asgiving it the damage of a club (not improvised)
Its being sharp would be irrelevant. That you would gain its reach is a significant advantage. Now. What is the damage code for an astraly preserving (dwarven) dwarven sharman. And dose the wielding troll gain the shamans totem bonus to astral combat. Edward |
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May 19 2006, 03:29 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...&hl=power+focus
See the discussion on this topic in this thread. I'm not sure we ever really came to a conclusion. |
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May 19 2006, 06:26 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
My thoughts? No.
We've got weapon foci for a reason. They're magically engineered (is that a contradiction?) to be incredibly dangerous on the Astral, in addition to providing bonuses for the person they're bonded to. If beating on something with a power focus worked just as well, there'd be no reason to have a weapon focus. If you want a magic sword power/weapon focus, just buy both foci out of the gear section, and say they're in the same object. |
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May 19 2006, 06:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 588 Joined: 27-February 06 Member No.: 8,316 |
I'd have to go with no. The shape of the power focus doesn't impact it's function. If it did, then, my power focus in the shade of a wand could be used to jab someone in the eye on the astral.
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May 22 2006, 02:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 |
The way I read this by percieving you've already gone astrally active, and a power focus does nothing to help your combat skills or damage. However swinging an active focus around while not perciveing could lead to randomly hitting things, in astral space, at random and annoying them. |
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May 24 2006, 05:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 16-December 05 From: new jack city Member No.: 8,077 |
Well i wasn't thinking of the useing a power foci as a weapon. I was more thinking about a last resort weapon (like a chair or bottle would be), But i take all the nos as my idea was silly. Thanks alot for the help. :cyber:
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May 25 2006, 02:29 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Actually, it's not that bad of an idea. It's just that you probably won't get too much from it. Since we all agree that you shouldn't recieve the special weapon focus bonuses, all you get is maybe a little extra damage over your base stats.
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May 25 2006, 07:03 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,582 |
If I was GM'ing a game where a mage used a power focus as an improvised weapon, I would a) Give him some extra damage for it, b) see if his power focus survives being batterd against another astral form.
I read through the other very long string of posts about this, and everyone has a point, so I would say that it is upto your GM, or if you are the GM, then make your own choice. I would think that everyone would aggre that if a power focus is allowed as an improvised weapon, then it should have a very decent chance of being destroyed by the 'impact' (a tea cup could be used to bash someone over the head, but sadly the tea cup would not survive to be bashed against another head) Doc |
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May 25 2006, 08:16 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I wouldn't allow it because astral combat isn't just about hitting things but if it were allowed I'd try use the forcing things though barriers rules.
If you jabed an astral spirit with an astral power focus then you would force astral combat between the two. You wouldn't do any damage but the focus would get to roll its (Forcex2) vs the spirit's (Forcex2). If the spirit loses it would be disrupted. If the focus loses it would be destroyed. Depending on your luch and their respective forces, it is either a quick way to take out a weak spirit or a quick way to destroy a very expensive focus. At least that's how I see it. The advantage of a weapon focus is that it conducts you attack. You aren't just sticking one astral form into another. Also, this should not work for dual natured foci since the spirit would be able to move out of the way far too quickly to actually hit. Astral combat isn't just about hitting things |
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May 25 2006, 05:19 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Astral Forms do not necessarily have the same size, shape, or hardness as their physical counterparts. Foci are not "dual natured" when active, they "have an astral form". A subtle difference, but it means that on the astral plane your sword-shaped spellcasting focus isn't a sword - it's whatever a spellcasting focus looks like to the tradition of the enchanted that made your focus in the first place.
End result: when you slap someone with your focus it has no astral reach and inflicts damage like a "meahuman body" - you do Force/2 astral damage with it. So if you have a low charisma and a high force counterspelling focus, then smacking people with it is probably a fine idea. -Frank |
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May 25 2006, 07:32 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Where do you get the whole "metahuman body" part out of this?
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May 25 2006, 07:55 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I like Frank's idea. It makes it useful at times, and maintains the feel of magic.
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May 25 2006, 08:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 16-December 05 From: new jack city Member No.: 8,077 |
I think Frank gave me the answer i was fishing for. haha. Now i know what to tell my players. :)
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May 25 2006, 08:32 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Heh. It's under the "improvised weapons" rules, page 149. If you hit someone with someone else, you inflict Bod/2 in damage. For the purposes of Astral combat, an active focus has a Body of Force, so there's an in-game damage code for that attack. well... sort of. -Frank |
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