 4th Ed Timeline, Tool lyric reference? |
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 May 20 2006, 07:06 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070  |
After reading through the timeline again in the 4th Edition rulebook, I noticed something for the first time. The last sentence of the second-to-last paragraph uses the phrase "learn to swim" for those in the LA area post-flooding.
Oddly enough, Tool has a song called Aenima, about how the self-obsessed corruption of LA needs to be washed away by apocalyptic tides. An oft-repeated lyric in the song is "Learn to swim." Coincidence, or psychic phenomenon? Tool: "Some say a comet will fall from the sky Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still..." Shadowrun: Year of the Comet, Saito's invasion... Earthquakes and tidal waves, faultline activities... |
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May 20 2006, 07:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 16-December 05 From: new jack city Member No.: 8,077 |
i vote world government conspiracy!
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May 20 2006, 09:17 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Or another set of musical artists is secretly played RPG's. After all there aren't many that do so publically, Vin Diesel is a hero in my group for that (and giving us Riddick)
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May 20 2006, 10:16 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Is the phrase used in the original reference to the flood? IF so, check the copywrite dates to see which came first. It wouldn't prve anything, but it could disprove it.
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May 21 2006, 03:44 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
The Tool song came first, by years. Shadowrun uses song titles, lyrics, and lots of funny pop culture refences all over the place. One of the NAN adventures titles each chapter with a song from the 80s.
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May 21 2006, 04:15 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
My question isn't about SR4. Which book first sank California? If that book used "learn to swim" and came before the Tool song then it isn't derivitive.
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May 21 2006, 04:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
The sinking happened between System Failure and SR4, timeline-wise. Both published in the last year. Tool's Aenima album, on the other hand, came out ten years ago. |
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May 21 2006, 04:20 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
The Tool song (Oct 01, 1996) predates YotC (June 2003). And didn't LA sink in System Failure (August 30, 2005)?
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May 21 2006, 04:25 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I have no idea when LA sank. Hence the question. :) If it was 2005 then yeah, Aenima was first by a longshot.
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May 21 2006, 05:15 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Aenima way predates LA sinking in SR. Whether there is any lyrical reference, that I don't know.
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May 21 2006, 05:48 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Probably no more than Hate Thy Neighbor in Loose Alliances can be inferred to be a reference to One Tin Soldier.
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May 21 2006, 06:04 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Maynard's in the Seer's Guild. Or would you just call that wishful thinking? |
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May 21 2006, 10:10 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
It bears mentioning that the "CA falling into the ocean during an earthquake" idea has been around a lot longer than the Tool song, too.
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May 22 2006, 01:15 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Albeit completely geologically impossible.
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May 22 2006, 01:17 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Yeah, but fun to think about. :)
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May 22 2006, 05:36 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Which is why it did not happen in my SR4 timeline. Also, I live in California, so I'm somewhat biased towards the state. |
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May 22 2006, 07:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
Well, technically there was no "falling into the ocean," but instead a massive amount of flooding. Additionally, one of the funniest things ever is listening/reading gamers talk about any kind of rational impossibility in the context of a fantasy roleplaying game with dragons, elves, paracritters, and a "modern" world that didn't discover the wonders of wireless technology until 2064. |
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May 22 2006, 03:14 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,812 |
Damn, weird. As soon as i clicked on this thread this song started on the radio....
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May 22 2006, 08:02 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
I really hate when people say that. So if the writers decided that having gravity suddenly change direction and hamburgers start talking was canon, we'd have to accept it because dragons exist? |
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May 22 2006, 08:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
Yes. Welcome to the game world, as written by it's writers. I'll have my talking burger with extra mustard, please, and hold the mayonnaise. I find a talking burger a lot easier to believe than the physics-breaking ideas that somehow allow a dragon to fly. OH WAIT. I forgot. The dragon is MAAAAAAAAAGICAL! |
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May 22 2006, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-March 06 From: Quebec, Canada Member No.: 8,415 |
Magic is the wild card.
It's not just something that is a deus ex machina, but a force, probably a force of chaos and paradox. So yes, they fly, like i or not. Maic is probably the 5th force of the universe - the wild card one. |
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May 22 2006, 08:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
Who said I didn't like it? In fact, I believe I said I found it all amusing. =) And it is entirely a DEM. That's the whole point. |
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May 22 2006, 11:09 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 22-May 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 8,590 |
If my talking hamburger could access the matrix to find out what kind of condiments I liked and prepare itself accordingly, I'd accept it. :D |
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May 23 2006, 12:04 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the reason "magic and scifi tech exist" is an invalid argument for explaining why impossible things are possible is that both magic and scifi tech, in SR and in every setting worth reading, follow self-imposed rules. just because the fantastic is possible doesn't mean that anything is possible--only that anything within the rules that have define the fantastic is possible.
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May 23 2006, 01:27 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Uh huh. Feel free to kill each other over this nonsense again. Just don't expect to see me swinging an axe. |
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