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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
I disagree on the paradigm stranglehold Renewed Hermeticism is supposed to have on North America. Oh, I think Renewed Hermeticism is the majority paradigm, but its share of Th.D grants I would probably say would be at most 55%.
The following is a list of UCAS, CAS, and CFS Public Universities I believe would have Th.D programs, and sometimes with a paradigm after it mentioned. UCAS: Prince Edward Island: University of Prince Edward Island Nova Scotia: Halifax University Maine: University of Maine, Orono (Classical Hermeticism) University of Southern Maine (Renewed Hermeticism) Massachusetts: MIT&T: Renewed Hermeticism and Unified Magicians (Split Down the Middle) University of Massachusetts, Amherst (Classical Hermeticism) University of Massachusetts, Boston (Renewed Ritualism) Connecticut: University of Connecticut, Storrs (Renewed Hermeticism) New York: Cornell University (Classical Hermeticism [Private Section attatched to Humanities Department] Shamanism [Public Section attatched to the Anthropology Department of the College of Human Relations) CUNY Syatem SUNY Albany SUNY Binghamton SUNY Buffalo SUNY Rochester SUNY Stony Brook SUNY A&T Alfred Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania State University, State College University of Pittsburgh Temple University, Philadelphia Lincoln University of Pennsylvania, Harrisburg Indiana University of Pennsylvania New Jersey: Rutgers University-New Brunswick/East Rutherford Rutgers University- Camden New Jersey State University, Trenton (Formerly College of New Jersey) University of New Jersey (Formerly Jersey City State University) Delaware: University of Delaware Maryland: University of Maryland, College Park University of Maryland, Baltimore University of Maryland, Ann Arundel County (Formerly UMBC) University of Maryland, Eastern Shore Towson University Morgan State University North Virginia: North Virginia State University (Formerly George Mason) West Virginia: West Virginia University Marshall University Kentucky: University of Kentucky (Renewed Hermeticism) University of Louisville (Classical Hermeticism) Kentucky State University (Pythagoreans) Western Kentucky University(Renewed Ritualism) Ohio: Ohio State University Ohio University Miami University of Ohio University of Cincinatti Cleveland State University Indiana: Indiana University, Bloomington Purdue University, West Lafayette Indiana University-Purdue University-Indianapolis Indiana University-Purdue University-Fort Wayne Indiana State University Illinois: University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana (Renewed Ritualism) University of Illinois at Chicago (Renewed Hermeticism) Illinois State University (Classical Hermeticism) Southern Illinois University (Unified Magic Theory) Iowa: University of Iowa Iowa State University Missouri: University of Missouri, Columbia University of Missouri, Kansas City Lincoln University of Missouri Truman State University Kansas: University of Kansas, Lawrence Kansas State University, Manhattan Witchita State University Nebraska: University of Nebraska, Lincoln University of Nebraska, Omaha Nebraska State University (Formerly University of Nebraska, Kearney) South Dakota: University of South Dakota Dakota State University North Dakota: North Dakota State University North Dakota Instutute of Technology and Thaumaturgy Manioba-Saskatchewan: University of Manitoba-Saskatchewan, Winnipeg West Ontario: University of West Ontario Minnesota: University of Minnesota-Twin Cities Wisconsin: University of Wisconsin, Madison University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Wisconsin State University, Octonomowoc Michigan: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (Classical Hermeicisim attached to the Humanities college, Renewed Hermeticism Attached to the Applied Sciences college, and shamanism attached t the Anthropology department) Michigan State University (Renewed Hermeticism. Bitter Rivalry with UMichigan) Wayne State University (Concordance Alchemy Attached to the Chemistry Department) Central Michigan University (Shamanism, attached to the Anthropology Departmant) Michigan Tech University (Renewed Ritualism Attached to the Business School, Pythagoreans Attached to the Engineering School) Ontario: University of Windsor University of Sudbury University of Central Ondario University of Toronto Rump Colorado: University of Colorado, Boulder University of Colorado, Denver University of Colorado, Colorado Springs Seattle: University of Washington Washington Institute of Technology, Tacoma CAS: Virginia: University of Virginia, Charlottesville (Renewed Hermeticism) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Renewed Ritualism) College of William and Mary (Classical Hermeticism) Virginia Commonwealth University (United Magical Theory) Old Dominion University (Renewed Hermeticism, specializing water and sea magic and the conjuration of water elementals) North Carolina: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill North Carolina State University University of North Carolina, Charlotte North Carolina AT&T University East Carolina University South Carolina: University of South Carolina, Columbia Clemson University College of Charleston Coastal Carolina University Gerogia: University of Georgia (Classical Hermeticism) Georgia Institute of Technology (Renewed Hermeticism, Pythagoreans) Georgia State University (Renewed Hermeticism, Voodoo through the Anthropology Department) Georgia Southern University (Very small Classical Hermeticism program) Florida: University of Florida, Gainsville University of Florida, Talahassee (Formerly Florida State University) University of Florida, Tampa Bay (Formerly University of South Florida) University of Florida, Orlando (Formerly Univeristy of Central Florida) University of Florida, Fort Myers (Formerly Florida Gulf Coast University) University of Florida, Jacksonville (Formerly University of North Florida) Florida A&M University Florida Institute of Technology Alabama: University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa Auburn University, Auburn University of Alabama, Birmingham University of Alabama, Huntsville Troy University University of South Alabama Tennessee: University of Tennessee, Knoxville (Renewed Hermeticim) Tennessee Tech University (Pythagoreans) East Tennessee State University Middle Tennessee State University University of Memphis Mississippi: Ole Miss Univeristy Mississippi State Univeristy University of Southern Mississippi Jackson State Univeristy Louisisna: Louisiana State University and A&M College, Baton Rouge Southern University and A&M College, Baton Rouge University of New Orleans University of Louisiana, Lafayette Louisiana Tech University Texas:* University of Texas, Austin (Classical Hermeticism) Texas A&M&M University, College Station (Renewed Hermeticism, renowned paracritter studies program, largest Alchemy program and critter experimention program in NA.) University of Houston Texas Tech University University of Texas, Arlington University of Texas, Dallas(Pythagoreans) Texas Southern University University of North Texas University of Texas-Texas A&M&M University, Galveston Oklahoma: University of Oklahoma, Norman Oklahoma State University, Stillwater Oklahoma State University, Oklahoma City Langston University Cameron University Arkansas: University of Arkansas, Fayetteville University of Arkansas, Little Rock Arkansas State University Arkansas Tech University South Missouri: South Missouri University (Formerly University of Missouri-Saint Louis) South Missouri State University, Springfield (Formerly Missouri State University) California Free State: & University of California, Daivs University of California, Merced University of California, Santa Cruz University of California, Santa Clara University of California, Santa Barbara Califronia Polyechnic State University, San Luis Obispo California State University, Fresno * University of Texas at San Antonio, Permian Basin, El Paso, and Pan American and TEXAS A&M&M at Commerce, Kingswood, Corpus Christi, and International are occupied by Aztlan and don't count. & UCLA, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, San Diego State, Cal State LA, and Cal State Dominguez Hills are under water and don't count. U.C. Imperial Valley, U.C. Riverside, Cal State San Bernardino, and Cal State Northridge are occupied by the Pueblo Coroprate Council and don't count. UC Eureka, UC, Redding, and Cal State Chico are occupied by Tir Tairngire and don't count. University of California, Berkley is now the Peoples University of Berkley and I don't believe they've returned to the U.C. fold. Anybody want to suggest a paradigm for any particular college? |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 ![]() |
Heh heh. Looks like Damien Knight must have gone to the University of Florida.
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 ![]() |
Huh? |
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Beetle Eater ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 ![]() |
University of Illinois at Chicago was Renewed Hermeticism, specializing in elemental summoning and likely enchanting elemental summoning materials. But it's probably delegated to "Bug Studies" after 2058, assuming they open it again.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 ![]() |
Take a look at the Carib League (er, Florida). Screams hostile takeover. |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 24-March 05 Member No.: 7,227 ![]() |
Two schools you might want to add to the list, unless you have already thought about and rejected them:
Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN. Its a private school, huge endowment, and is currently has very strong research in biology, bio-engineering and non-primary care medicine. Plus, its supposed to be the "Harvard of the South" Tulsa University in Tulsa, OK. A private school and its particularly good at chemical engineering, I think. Some others I can think of, but I'm not sure if they have been addressed in sourcebooks...Tufts in Boston...Dartmouth....Princeton University...Yale. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 3-May 06 From: On the Run Member No.: 8,521 ![]() |
For Texas I'd say the University of Texas @ Dallas would be a more likely candidate for teaching a Hermetic tradition than UT:Arlington. UTD is a much more technically oriented school than UTA.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
Then that probably makes Urbana-Champagne Renewed Ritualism and Illinois State Classical Hermeticism |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
Vanderbilt is a Private school. I Know Cornell is too, but as NewYork's land grant school, they sneak in by the back door. |
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 ![]() |
That's a great list, but may I suggest actually considering what is canon as schools even worth mentioning? That way it also reduces the number to a handful of quality schools in North America (and about twice as many with private). Everything else... Well, it's like going to a party school like ASU to study Computer Engineering. Possible, but useless.
UCLA (First Th.D program in the world), Texas A&M, MIT&M, Cal Tech, and UW. Also Lakehead U, but that's more shamanic. Private schools add Seattle U, Georgetown, Harvard, USC, UChicago, and Columbia. Also, UCLA would not be underwater. Westwood is on a hillside creeping up to the mountains. It's higher than ~80% of the L.A. basin. CalTech definitely wouldn't be either, being in Pasadena and all. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
Thing is, though, not everybody with a ThD who's running the shadows or an extraction target comes from the canon list.
In addition, certain states (Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Michigan, and yes, California come to mind) have a reputation for a commitment to public reputation above and beyond the call of the "Party School" stereotype. The Big Ten is regarded as third brainiest sports conference in America (After the Ivy League and the New England Small Conference). Other really good state colleges include Miami of Ohio, William and Mary, College of Charleston, and all of Florida's research universities (Which together behave more like the U.C. system than the situation in Texas or Michigan.) I will admit that the talent is rarer than say, the aptitude for physical medicine. However, the startup costs for starting a ThD program consist mainly of hiring the teaching staff, plus lodge and materials costs that must be far cheaper than 21st century medical equipment. (Though I will concede that orichalcum and magic radicals will cost about as much as radioisotope tracers.) |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 ![]() |
As an alum, I'd agree with that. I'd also be pretty surprised if Cornell didn't have some sort of shamanism program, since they have close ties to a number of native nations through the American Indian Program and Akwe:kon (where I lived for a couple years ;) ). |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 ![]() |
What about Carleton? They have a Druids club; hello automatically known metamagics and blood sacrifices! Whodathunk that a Midwestern college would rule most of Europe?
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 ![]() |
Just commenting on the schools that I deal with regularly: Ohio State would definitely have a Th.D. degree. No question about it. It'd surprise me a great deal if Ohio University, Miami of Ohio, or Cleveland State would. All three are much smaller schools which are more focused on undergraduate than graduate programs. When speaking of a field that's less than 60 years old, and which can only be practiced by 1% of the population, it seems unlikely that they'd have the facilities to have developed enough faculty to support post graduate degrees. University of Cincinnati could go either way. They've got a much larger graduate program, so it wouldn't be at all unreasonable for them to have a program. In terms of private schools -- Ohio's a state with a ton of small liberal arts schools. It wouldn't surprise me if many of these had decent undergraduate Thaumaturgy degrees. However, I doubt that many of them would have graduate programs that extended beyond the Masters degree level. It's also very possible that several of these schools would create a collaborative graduate program for a Th.D. This could be similar to the NorthEast Ohio Universities College of Medicine that several schools collaborate on. This particular example includes the University of Akron and the University of Toledo. I'd expect that Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland (a Private school) would have a solid doctoral program. But, I can't really think of any other private schools in Ohio that definitely would. |
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 ![]() |
Duh. I was just making a point of listing the good schools. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
The game is set 65 years or so from now. That's plenty of time for Ohio, Miami, and Cleveland State to grow to Cincinatti size, if not quite Ohio State. I mean, Ohio has a medical school. How about: Ohio College of Alchemy Southwestern Ohio Universities College of Thaumaturgy (Joint operation between Miami, Wright State, and Central State) Northwestern Ohio Universities College of Thaumaturgy (Joint operation between Toledo and Bowling Green State) Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Thaumaturgy (Joint opperation between Cleaveland State, Akron, Kent State, and Youngstown State.) (And in the Spirit of Texas A&M&M and MIT&T) Ohio Aerospace and Astral Space Institute :D |
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Canon Companion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 ![]() |
Might want to add in the Service Schools too. I bet they teach military-oriented magic as well.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
Army still may be at West Point, But Annapolis and Quanitco are uncomfortably close to the CAS, and Colorado Springs is surrounded by the NAN on all sides. Then there's the fact that we don't know where the CAS academies are. (I'm guessing that VMI is now Confederate Army, Citadel Is Confederate Marine Corps, and Air Force is either Alabama-Huntsville or Tennessee-Tullahoma. That still leaves Confederate Navy and Confederate Coast Guard.) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-March 06 From: Quebec, Canada Member No.: 8,415 ![]() |
What about Quebec? I have a mage from there...
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 ![]() |
Did you make up the list of universities, or get it from somewhere?
The Universities of Manitoba and Saskatchewan are very separate entities, and about 600 km apart. There're two Universities in Winnipeg. U of W, the smaller one, is considered more humanities-oriented. If anything, given the cultural diversity of the area, you're more likely to see other traditions studied around here. Does that help? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
Except that (I Believe) The University of Sasktchewan is now in NAN territory, and so is beyond the scope of the article. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 ![]() |
Yes, it would be. I could see changing the name to allow for the Gappers that moved out of the NAN. I'm not saying it's not plausible for the sixth world, but did you get this from somewhere or speculate it up yourself?
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Man In The Machine ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 ![]() |
Odds are this wouldent have a Phd program at all. IIRC itsjust barely a masters granting school now. Plus its in the middle of ass no where in NY state. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 21-May 06 Member No.: 8,583 ![]() |
Funny, I could have sworn otherwise. |
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Man In The Machine ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 ![]() |
*blink* shussh... I had it confused for Delhi...
Throw me a bone, I went to Morrisville for 2 years. That will rot anyones brain. |
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