 Matrix Anomalies, More AI related questions/speculation. |
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 May 23 2006, 03:42 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 12-May 06 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 8,551  |
I beg your pardon? Please explain? I think I missed that memo. |
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May 23 2006, 08:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
It's never been that clear to me what AH meant by this. Roxy knew about some uber-code that the Big D owned so built his own uber-code to combat it? How did Roxy know about it though? And if he knew about it, did he base his own code on it somehow? Either way, it looks like one or the other created, or was, the Crash Virus. And I'll bet that one or the other created, or was, proto-Mirage. Could Big D's code have been JackBNimble? If he couldn't decrypt it then presumably not, but that doesn't mean the two weren't from the same stable, so to speak. Now here's an interesting thing, given the earlier discussion... could be nothing, pure coincidence perhaps, but notice the name of the company that Roxy wanted to take from Big D. |
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May 23 2006, 08:24 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
Ruh roh. You kind of caught me with my virtual pants down on that cause I really don't remember where I ran into this information but I think wherever it was it was official. Remember the pictures of Mars that are listed in the Will? (Actually now that I'm thinking about it maybe they weren't all NASA pictures.) There was one picture, supposedly from Ares trip to Mars that had a sort of silly flying saucer in it. Big D puts that into his will implying that there is something secretive going on. (All the pictures were super classified I think) And there was something secretive going on, but it wasn't that Ares got pictures of a cheesy UFO and was covering it up. The secret was that someone (some government I think, not another corp) had doctored the pictures before Ares got them back to protect..., um, something. Anyway, I don't think the dragon put that in his Will because he wanted the truth to finally come out. I think he put it in his Will knowing that while the pictures were a hoax, it might get some folks to question their rock solid beliefs if even just for a moment. (I say this because from what I remember the scandal surrounding the particular picture turned out to be kind of small.) Or I could be totally mis-remembering and that is actually a picture of a Martian spacecraft. |
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May 23 2006, 12:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Roxy gave different versions of events depending on when Alice interrogated him during the Dragonheart Saga. Hence the confusion. <shrug> |
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May 23 2006, 01:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
There'll always be more background reading that I feel like I have to do! *sigh*
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May 23 2006, 01:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
I think the secret to the new AIs lies in the TM. I think that the different AIs needed a way to survive and "downloaded" themselves (fully or partially) into different TMs who in the future may be able to bring back these entities. A sort of Jack in the box for the AIs.
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May 23 2006, 01:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
So basically the Network again but stored entirely in the wetware this time instead of a mix of the hardware and wetware? |
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May 23 2006, 02:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
We know that it was the Dissonance that used Pax (and Winternight) to bring down Matrix 1.0 (and presumably helped Pax create Jormungand).
Seems reasonable to assume that the Dissonance might also have been working behind the scenes to make sure that a new Matrix was ready to take the place of the old one. In which case the Matrix 2.0, TM weirdness and all, was more-or-less designed by/for/with the Dissonance. Lofwyr, with Leonardo locked in his dungeons, seemed to know what was coming, and might even have had a hand in this plot too; he certainly got his reward. My suspicion is that neither the Deep Resonance nor the Dissonance were individual entities, but rather they were facades used to steer and manipulate the Otaku. It may be that they were more like factions, each made up of multiple AIs or Idols. But if there was one main hand on the tiller of the Dissonance faction, my favourite candidate would certainly be [ Spoiler ]
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May 23 2006, 02:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-March 06 From: Quebec, Canada Member No.: 8,415 |
Perhaps the Deep Resonance and the Dissonance are two faces of the SAME thing? A cosmos-technical yin-yang...
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May 23 2006, 02:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Well... we're all faces of the same thing, from a certain perspective. That just isn't a very illuminating perspective! :wobble:
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May 23 2006, 03:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
Well in all fairness to the Dissonance (and I'm not ready to concede that it is really an uber organizer, my feeling is that probably neither the resonance nor the dissonance is any more self aware than toxicity/non-toxicity are self-aware in the magical realm) the vision it shot Pax's way about crashing the matrix and rebuilding it would prevent her from fading did turn out to be the case.
So three cheers for the dissonance! (But you won't see me dancing around any dissonance wells anytime soon.) |
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May 23 2006, 04:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
Where is/was it revealed that Lofwyr has Leonardo? Man, I seem to be missing a whole ton of meta-plot stuff. Is most of it in the novels? I would just love to read the Dragonheart trilogy but those SR novels are becoming really hard to find these days. FanPro/Wizkids: Can you re-release those novels in PDF like the old sourcebooks? |
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May 23 2006, 04:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Actually that's supposition based on shadowtalk in SF p119. Lofwyr is supposed to be jealously guarding some nova-hot elf decker called Antonio Vieri. Others on DS have guessed that this might be Leonardo by another name.
EDIT: I second the motion for pdfs of novels, but unfortunately FanPro doesn't own the novels. |
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May 23 2006, 07:04 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
Amazon seems to have the Dragonheart trilogy for an extra couple bucks per book. With the exception of 2XS those are pretty much the best Shadowrun books. They'd make an amazing movie trilogy. |
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May 23 2006, 07:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
I wracking my brain but I can't think of which book SF is... I'm abbreviation-challenged today. |
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May 23 2006, 07:58 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
That would be System Failure, although to be perfectly honest the possibility of Lofwyr having someone on ice was originally brought up in Dragons of the Sixth World - care to guess which chapter? |
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May 23 2006, 11:20 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
My guess on Lofwyr's seeming precognition of the Crash is just that, he had the head of the seers guild as his personal lap dog. I seem to remember it coming up in the fiction in SF. Though leo probably helped in some way.
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May 24 2006, 09:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Fair point. If he wasn't complicit then I wonder how much he knew. After all he didn't seem to lift a talon to stop it. Seems like he was perfectly happy to see the Matrix 2.0 arrive in all its weird and semi-magical glory.
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May 24 2006, 02:33 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
because he is a CEO first. the crash made him able to flex some political muscle towards the european nations. and i allso think he had his talons in the companys that where about to bring out the matrix 2.0 tech...
if there is anything any company loves, its a SOTA movement they control (or atleast predict)... it allows them to plan it so that they get continual growth... |
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May 24 2006, 02:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Will old Goldensnout be counting the bottom line? Absolutely.
But I expect a Great Dragon like him is also looking beyond the quick buck, to a much bigger picture and a much longer spreadsheet. |
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May 24 2006, 03:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 |
Yeah the semi-magical thing could very well be the first step to a DNI for dragons and the like! |
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May 24 2006, 03:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Hmm. Leaving freaky Eliohann aside for a minute, that's a very interesting point. |
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May 24 2006, 03:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
A very interesting point.
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May 24 2006, 03:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
The thing that much really burn Lofwyr up is that Villiers and Novatech got "there" first in regards to the WMA. One gigantic merger later and SK now has some serious competition in Europe and America. I'm really looking forward to the new Corporations book.
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