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post May 22 2006, 05:08 PM
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Whoa. Someone watched too many Mad Max movies. :P
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post May 22 2006, 05:12 PM
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That's no Panzer, that's just a combat-wagon. If a… special one.

(While the original Panzer was indeed a tank, it's established canon that "Panzer" is in the 2050s and later slang for a T-bird or other heavily-armed ground-effect vehicle)

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post May 22 2006, 05:14 PM
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I know, I know. I just put the name the pic had. Still, I want a new shiny one. :cyber:
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post May 22 2006, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
While the original Panzer was indeed a tank, it's established canon that "Panzer" is in the 2050s and later slang for a T-bird or other heavily-armed ground-effect vehicle.

Well at least until people started getting concerned about whether it infringed copyright or not. :)
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post May 22 2006, 07:15 PM
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post May 22 2006, 07:57 PM
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From what I remember they switched from using the term Panzer to T-Bird since it might have been a little too close to Walter Jon Williams 'Hardwired'. Although that's assuming that what people said about it was true and/or that my memory, never that great to begin with, isn't playing tricks on me.
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post May 22 2006, 07:57 PM
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2 words.

Rush Hour.
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post May 22 2006, 08:00 PM
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So its really an El Camino welded to a few railroad rails, the rear end of 'something' being driven by the ford 302, with an AA gun welded to that.

Bad ass.
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post May 23 2006, 01:36 PM
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I assume however it doesn't actually work.

I wonder if I can do something like that with my sentra.
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post May 23 2006, 03:52 PM
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that would be more of a tank hunter then a tank. why? because there isnt a turret ;)
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post May 23 2006, 05:00 PM
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What are the railroad rails for? Maybe just to immobilize it? If it was originally rail-mounted, the gun would have to turn to be of any use...
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post May 23 2006, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE (Toptomcat)
What are the railroad rails for?

Perhaps someone took the name 'railgun' just slightly too literally.
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post May 23 2006, 11:15 PM
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The original SR in the late 1980's called the big LAV a "panzer" I think that caused a little ripple of complaints as it was potentially "nazi" to it was quickly changed to the 'thunderbird.'

The formal name is the GMC Banshee. I think this vehical really lost umph after a while, replaced with runners in armored Bulldogs or hugh's helo's turned into gunships. Serious corps used Citymasters and bigger stuff.

I know when I first read the Rigger in Vol 1 talking about "lifting skirts on a panzer" I thought of a german Panzer Mk IV, with a long barrell 75mm gun.
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post May 24 2006, 03:58 PM
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post May 24 2006, 10:23 PM
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The question is whether Lone Star would stop it on the street or if they'd be too busy laughing.
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post May 24 2006, 10:42 PM
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Panzer is the German word for tank or armored vehicle, I am not really sure because it doesn't translate litterally. There is no copyright issue at all, nor did the word have anything to do with the Nazi party other than they were German.

The German govt. has a battalion of Panzers today, the Panzer 2000. It in fact is not a tank, but a piece of precision mobile artillery.

I have no idea why Fasa/Fanpro decided to stop using the slang term Panzer to describe the LAV's. It's a kick butt name.
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post May 24 2006, 10:45 PM
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Walter Jon Willams' Hardwired is probably one of the more famous depictions of a "panzer" in cyberpunk, and what he was talking about was skirt-equipped hovercraft. Shadowrun's t-birds are entirely different craft, and I'm glad they decided to run with a different name.

Besides, that means that I can have panzers AND t-birds in my game, just for kicks.
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post May 25 2006, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox)
The original SR in the late 1980's called the big LAV a "panzer" I think that caused a little ripple of complaints as it was potentially "nazi" to it was quickly changed to the 'thunderbird.'

I'd love to know which putzes complained. Still it doesn't seemed to have dropped the term from being used in a variety of places in Canon.
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post May 25 2006, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE (Shadow)
The German govt. has a battalion of Panzers today, the Panzer 2000. It in fact is not a tank, but a piece of precision mobile artillery.

And in fact it's not a Panzer, it's a Panzerhaubitze. :) The Leopard series of MBTs is often called "Panzer Leopard", "Kampfpanzer Leopard", or even "Panzerkampfwagen Leopard". Their wheeled APC is called Transportpanzer Fuchs, their IFV Schützenpanzer Marder, etc. It translates "armour"(/"armoured", etc.) or "tank" or something related -- e.g. Panzergrenadier = mechanized infantry.
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post May 25 2006, 08:54 AM
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Panzerkampfwagen would translate literally as 'armored fighting vehicle'

Panzer: Armor/Shield

Kampf: Fight/Struggle

Wagen: vehicle/cart/wagon

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post May 25 2006, 10:15 AM
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What is a Fampf? Never before heard/read that word. Most people call a "Panzer Leopard" simply "Leopard", as with the other vehicles mentioned. Only the animal name and everyone knows what you're talking about. Even guys who've never been in the army, like me. But we all played panzer quartett in our youth. :D
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And in case there are still some questions about these German words, there's a brilliant Deutsch-English-Deutsch online dictionary at dict.leo.org.

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Most people call a "Panzer Leopard" simply "Leopard", as with the other vehicles mentioned.

In normal discussion, absolutely, the mentioned long forms being equal to "Abrams MBT" and "Bradley IFV" in English. I was just pointing out that the PzH2k is by no means a lone example of the word "Panzer" being used in the modern Bundeswehr. :)
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post May 27 2006, 03:12 PM
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"Panzer" has slipped back into the game. but in the early 90's it was pretty much gone.

For non-Gemran speakers the terms "panzer" pretty much gets tied to WW2. Mk IV was the standard workhorse.

Mk V was the 'panther' and Mk VI was the 'tiger.' But the word "Panzer" pretty much conjures up images of tutonic aggression. not a cyberpunk armored hovercraft.
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post Jun 2 2006, 03:36 PM
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Speaking of DIY armored vehicles and Mad Max...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/defensorforti...57594152852804/

I like the one with the skulls on the gun shield. :D
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post Jun 2 2006, 06:35 PM
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heh, some of those looks like they would work nicely to illustrate a rigger3 creation...
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