 What's the point of high force Shapechange?, There's no change in effect for force. |
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
It seems that the only purpose of casting the spell at a higher level is to resist dispelling more easily.
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May 23 2006, 12:58 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I don't have a book handy. Is there a threshold for casting it? If so, then you'll need a force at least equal toy our threshold or you can't score enough hits.
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May 23 2006, 02:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 12-May 06 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 8,551 |
You can only count as many hits as the force of the spell, so the higher force means a (potentially) more powerful physical form. |
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May 23 2006, 02:44 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
What HalloranElder said.
We had a adept that needed to do some urban recon, so our magician turned her into a dog to blend in. At Force 6. With 6 hits. It was the scariest fraggin' dog ever. The adept's journal is at http://www.tablenaked.com/blogs/redfox/, if you're curious. |
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May 23 2006, 06:37 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
The point is that with higher force you can get more successes which means more attribute increases in your shapechanged form. There's nothing scarier than the Orc Shaman turning into his totem animal with +6 to all physical attributes.
Bear is very scary now... |
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May 23 2006, 06:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Cool...
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May 23 2006, 06:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
As long as Bear Is Not Driving! |
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May 23 2006, 06:53 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
How can this be?
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May 23 2006, 07:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 13-December 05 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 8,070 |
Bear-shaped Shaman Dance Party! |
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May 24 2006, 06:08 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
OH WOW IT MENTOR SPIRIT TOM CRUISE! YOU WANT THE MANA YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE MANA!
And would you be able to make super-powered puppy with the shapechange? You know, force 6 spell, +6 to all physical stats? |
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May 24 2006, 06:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Yep. You wouldn't be very super powered compared to bigger animals, but you'd be one scary ass puppy in the box.
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May 24 2006, 06:11 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Heehee! Lethalest and adorablest puppy in the universe!
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May 24 2006, 06:18 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Sorry, you can't affect charisma, so you can't make it the most adorable puppy in the world.
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May 24 2006, 06:26 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
NOOOOOOO!!!!!
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May 24 2006, 10:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,448 |
But you can put an Increase Charisma spell in a, let's say, necklace sustaining focus and wear it when you are a puppy. |
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May 24 2006, 05:43 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
There's also some more munchkiny things that should be added.
First off is the shapechange into superpowerful bird or fly--not uncommon to see flies in the company coffee room; uncommon to watch them fly off with the lead scientist! Probably the most heinous thing is that anything paid with Essence is now considered to be part of your body and can be affected by magic. So your cyberware now comes with you when you shapechange. Bear with +2 to physical stats with Reflex Boosters and Wired Reflexes is scary to see. |
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May 24 2006, 05:46 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Whoa, whoa, slow down Cheops. I'd like to submit a slightly different interpretation. Anything paid for with essence is part of your body, I agree. So when your whole body is turned into a bear, your cyberware is also turned into a bear, not into a bear-shaped piece of cyberware. I would suggest that all cyberware is transformed into normal bear parts, just like the rest of your body is transformed into normal bear parts.
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May 24 2006, 06:08 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Dude, my dude has 8 charisma at chargen. I think he WOULD be the world's adorablest puppy.
Heehee, cyborg bear. |
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May 24 2006, 06:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Note however, that you can't change into anything too much bigger or smaller than yourself:
So you couldn't shapechange into a bear (estimating Body of 8 or 9) unless your normal Body value was at least 6. Similarly, no turning into a puppy (Body 0 or 1) unless your normal Body was 3 or less. |
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May 24 2006, 06:35 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Maybe it's a fat puppy. Or maybe I'll use a Decrease Body spell.
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May 24 2006, 06:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
A full-grown guard dog or wolf has a Body of 2, and they're over a hundred pounds. Your fat puppy would have to be pretty damned fat. |
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May 24 2006, 07:09 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Don't they have a body of 3 instead?
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May 24 2006, 08:54 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
Apathy:
you'll notice I said the orc shaman turns into a bear. Body 6 isn't tough for an orc. Similarily a puppy with body 1 isn't that tough for a human or elf to change into. It only gets tough when you are dealing with Body 0 like insects or huge animals like whales. Moon-Hawk: The way I figure it, if you can use cybereyes for targeting spells and looking astrally then you can use cyberware in a shape which doesn't require a massive body change (human => bird, snake, etc). |
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May 24 2006, 09:17 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
I might be tempted to let someone use whatever cyberware they had while shapeshifted, if they learned a specific Shapechange spell based on their particular cyberware map.
So instead of learning the generic Shapechange spell, or the specific caster variant, you learn one that incorporates your cybernetic and bioware enhancements at the time you lean the spell. |
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May 24 2006, 11:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 671 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 8,353 |
Don't forget, shapechange has no restrictions on turning into apes, only humans. Now, one of the stronger critters out there is the orangutan. They are also naturally quick, and agile as they have to avoid Tigers and the like. Yeah your bear is scary and all, but an ape with a ranger X bow is scaryer. Also nobody expects an orangutan to be dangerous, right until the point they drop on your head, and unscrew it.
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