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Uncle Fisty  Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928  |
So far all of my D&D3.5 and 3rd have held together just fine. No page issues.
And I agree on the 1st edition. Out of all of them, my DMG shows some seriosu wear, but the others (Players handbook, Unearthed, Deities and demigods, outdoor survival guide, fiend folio, monsters) are all in excellent shape. If it wasn't for the art style, you'd never know how old they are. love 'em. |
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May 25 2006, 08:01 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Um, the current exchange rate is $1.27:1 Euro. $60 sounds about right. |
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May 25 2006, 08:01 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Because for years, people told FanPro that they wanted hardcover books. :) The $35 352 page SR4 is a steal; core books are almost always sold at a cheaper price than they "should" be in order to make them more accessible to every player. Supplements are likely to sell to fewer players, and are therefore likely to be printed in smaller quantities [or take longer to sell through a print run the size of the core book] and therefore the prices are not adjusted downwards like the core book's price is. There are some other factors -- stores are more likely to order and reorder hardcover books, for example. They look better on the shelf, are sturdier, and compare more favourably to the largely-hardcover lines from WotC and White Wolf. |
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May 25 2006, 08:42 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
how many pages will arsenal be?
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May 25 2006, 08:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
I AM NOT ALONE !! :D *runs to grab his wife and make her read that post* "see! see!" 8) |
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May 25 2006, 10:11 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Damn, you're right. Confused the exchange rates. That happens when you post handicaped by influenza. ;) |
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May 25 2006, 10:57 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
SR3.01D was hardcover all the way, though... one of the very few improvements of the .01D line.
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May 25 2006, 11:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
edit: useless post
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May 25 2006, 11:33 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Always glad to help. Now to find my wife ... prove that I'm not crazy! |
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May 25 2006, 12:37 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, two wrongs do not make a right or somthing like that...
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May 25 2006, 01:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 |
I for one will happily pay the extra for a hard cover book.
Both my SR2 and SR3 core books have disintergrated. I was about to get a new SR3 when they announced SR4. The durability factor alone is worth it. Plus a big pile of hardback books is more intimidating than a big pile of Hobbit Snot bound ones. |
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May 25 2006, 02:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 296 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Usually under a cat Member No.: 864 |
Oh, you're not crazy--or if you are, so am I. I'm so fussy about my books that I've been known to buy more than one copy of something that I know is going to see a lot of use (usually one new and one used) and use the used one for actual gaming while keeping the new one pristine for things like reading and research. I've gotten to the point where I don't even lend regular paperbacks out anymore, since it appears that I have a much different view of "don't bend the spine, you idiot!" than most of my friends do. |
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May 25 2006, 02:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 From: DC/NOVA, USA Member No.: 80 |
Heh. After paying almost $200 on Ebay a few years back on a BABY (SR3 limited hardcover), I'm no longer shocked by any RPG book price -- although I do still reserve the right to bitch and moan if what I bought is a piece of crap...
Plus, since one of my best friends and fellow gamers opened up the FGLS a couple years ago, I've felt obligated to help keep the store alive -- where else am I gonna be able to reserve two full tables for 8-12 hours once a week, plus have all the gaming munchies and Red Bull I can possibly want? |
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May 25 2006, 03:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
After my SR3 rulebook's spine split in half and I had to duct tape it back together, I'll take the books in harcover. I'm also really liking the heavier duty glossy pages. Very nice. Now, if only we had better artwork to look at on those nice glossy pages....
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May 25 2006, 05:50 PM
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Well, I´m not as crazy as fistdantilus and otaku mike, but I like my books in AT LEAST mint condition. I´ve been known to buy PDFs just to have a printed copy to toss the players. And I NEVER lend books, specially hardcovers.
See? I´m not crazy. On hardcovers: it´s better, although expensive. Whenever I can AND it´s available, I buy the hardcover version. Some of my oldest hardcover books still look as new as when I bought them. It´s so good it should be an armor option in SR4. Hardcover - your armor won´t be anymore resistant to bullets and whatever hits it, but it will look nice for longer. |
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May 25 2006, 06:02 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
And when you need to beat down a player over something in the book, it's more gratifying to pummel them over the head with a hardcover than a softcover, more damage... why are you looking at me like that? :silly:
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May 25 2006, 06:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
What's the base DV of the new hardcover? How many net successes do you get on average?
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May 25 2006, 06:27 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Hmmm, I'd guess that it'd probably be around (Str/4)Stun? It'd take a long time to knock someone out with one, unless they had the body rating of Steven Hawking... |
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May 25 2006, 07:45 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
SR1 had a softcover run... I've got one on my shelf.
The color insert pages fell out of both of my SR2 books. They fell out of one of my SR3 books, and didn't have a chance in the other... the spine disintegrated and I ended up stripping it off and using duct tape instead. I've seen softcover books going for 30 bucks... charging 35 for a hardcover that (if my SR4 books are any indicator) do not fall apart is reasonable, in my mind. Want to know a good way to defray costs? Be a GM, and simply charge all your players 5 bucks when a new book comes out for the copy you're going to bring to the game every week. It's worked pretty well so far... |
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May 25 2006, 08:27 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
err, stun damage is based on willpower, not body. and give how stubborn hawkins have shown himself to be, i would say he would be simpler to kill then to knock out... |
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May 25 2006, 10:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
So....we should give him some heavy body armor, and he will be tougher than Trolls every time....
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May 26 2006, 12:34 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Re: the durability issue. Yeah, I have an old SR3 that lost its color pages. I also have 2 that haven't.
Also, see Palladium books. All softcover, and I've never seen one fall apart. AD&D 2nd? Soft covers on 90 percent of the supplements. Still holding on like crazy. It's not hard vs. soft so much as "we used a shitty printer that charged us less but sacrificed quality" vs. "we pay attention to our products". Combine the latter with knowing how to treat books, and you've got a long-lasting collection. (I'm not as anal as some ;), but I have been known to bite off heads when people throw my books across a room.) |
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May 26 2006, 12:48 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
The facts blur the issue. |
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May 26 2006, 01:21 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
So by your logic, all printers that use a generically termed style of binding must inherently do it in an equally adept manner?
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I can show you two shops that print adhesive labels, using the same equipment and the same techniques, and the one that has well trained employees that care about their product will do a better job every time. For further example, click the link to see the myriad printers that come up when you put "perfect bound" into Google. Think they all make the same quality product? |
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May 26 2006, 01:31 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
What logic? That we only have a tiny portion of the facts so your supposition means nothing? 'Cause that's my point.
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