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emo samurai
post May 26 2006, 06:01 AM
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I just watched "Last Team Standing," and the object was The Briefcase™. It is never explained what The Briefcase™ is. I was immediately reminded of Ronin, where there was also The Briefcase™. Have you ever done this to your players, where they have to transport The Briefcase™?
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Rajaat99
post May 26 2006, 06:14 AM
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Yeah, all the time. Sometimes the "briefcase" is another package of some sort also. They're always given the instruction not to open it.
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post May 26 2006, 06:15 AM
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Do they ever open The Briefcase™?
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post May 26 2006, 07:23 AM
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Ha. I just ran a "briefcase" run just before my last game ended. It was a distraction, the briefcase was empty. The standard "don't open the briefcase" instructions were given, and ... they didn't.

I was amazed.
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post May 26 2006, 07:38 AM
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If you run with genuinely competent professionals, it takes a hell of a lot to make them open the case.
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post May 26 2006, 08:06 AM
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I don't think anyone in my gaming group has ever opened the case, despite offers of payment and threats of reprisal.
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post May 26 2006, 09:23 AM
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I only GMed one "case" run. From the Shadows of the Underworld adventures.


You know which "case" I'm reffering to, right? ;)

Needly to say, they did open it but at least they made sure the contents got delieved to the rightful owner.
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post May 26 2006, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (eidolon)
Ha. I just ran a "briefcase" run just before my last game ended. It was a distraction, the briefcase was empty. The standard "don't open the briefcase" instructions were given, and ... they didn't.

I was amazed.

Made the some experience a while back. Sometimes characters do what they've been told.

Frightening.
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post May 26 2006, 11:07 AM
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I made a run that was the Johnson testing the runners professionalism before trusting them with some really heavy work.

So, it's a Briefcase run -- you know, get it from this guy, deliver it to this guy in 3 days. Keep it secret, keep it safe, don't open it.

What was in the briefcase? 20 kilos of high explosive, wired to explode if: 1) the case is opened, 2) light hits the inner liner (in case of drilling and a tiny camera), or 3) it gets hit with a high enough dose of X-Rays.

They opened it. The case exploded, and the heavily cyber'd troll was the only one there who survived. Barely.

Mr. J only had to watch the news to discover that the team wasn't reliable.

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From that point on, my players always made sure they opened everything they got from a Johnson with a remote drone. And they don't open the Package (unless so instructed)
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post May 26 2006, 11:33 AM
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I had the Briefcase™ done to me a lot of times. Most of the times I am really tempted to open it... even tried it a few times.
I wonder: We can infiltrate heavy secured facilities undetected, but we can't open a Briefcase™ undetected?
Or why is there another, Smaller Briefcase™ in it, which is even harder to open?

The one time we actually managed to get to the contents, it turned out to be a a very poisonous chemical agent (which would have leaked out anyways, as the GM later admitted).

So, if you have a Briefcase™ at your hands, which you should not open, do the natural thing and give it a try, sometime.

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post May 26 2006, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE (Butterblume)
I wonder: We can infiltrate heavy secured facilities undetected, but we can't open a Briefcase™ undetected?

You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to detect intrusions when you only have a few square feet to search and don't have to worry about people legitimately entering and exiting with relative ease.

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post May 26 2006, 01:57 PM
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Genuinely competent professionals would never take a briefcase run, period. It is a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. If you don't open it the contents may kill you; if you do open it the contents may kill you; there is no way to know.
It is best to have one simple rule. Never transport a package unless you are told up front what is in the package.
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post May 26 2006, 02:00 PM
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Wha? What's the point of that? All it does is force the J to come up with a good lie.

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post May 26 2006, 02:17 PM
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Best story reguarding the briefcase? I had crashed a team into the middle of no where. The second thing one of the charcters did (after he stopped burning), was open the case.
Point blank ICE consussive, with an incendary chaser.
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post May 26 2006, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Wha? What's the point of that? All it does is force the J to come up with a good lie.

~J

Or be honest and if they are real professionals it is perfectly safe to be honest with them. Honesty also means that they are that much less likely to mishandle the cargo.
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post May 26 2006, 02:19 PM
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IPE, you mean? Or has the border between the Wired and the world broken?

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Or be honest and if they are real professionals it is perfectly safe to be honest with them.

No offense, but that's bullshit. If they're real professionals, they'll take the path of greatest benefit, which may well be to steal the cargo, sell it out, or whatever. Even if we assume that "real professional" means "always keeps their word", they may be on prior employment to keep an eye out for certain kinds of items.

And that's ignoring the problem of determining whether they're "real professionals" in the first place.

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Honesty also means that they are that much less likely to mishandle the cargo.

Only if it requires very special handling instructions. Things like "don't bring to high altitudes, expose to high temperatures, or subject to falls of more than two meters" can provide necessary protection without revealing the nature of the item.

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post May 26 2006, 03:08 PM
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If a Johnson can afford to have people know what's in the case, he would use Fedex.

Edit: Plus the very good chance that Johnson doesn't know what's in the case either. If knowledge of what's in the case is a lethal secret, than why would he want to know either.
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post May 26 2006, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (emo samurai)
Do they ever open The Briefcase™?

My team has never opened the "briefcase".
Once it was a bomb that the Johnson was trying to use to take the team out. it almost worked.
Even since then, they still don't open the case.
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post May 26 2006, 04:07 PM
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I did the briefcase to my new SR4 crew. They were sufficiently paranoid but didn't open the case. They had less than a day to deliver, and it was a test by the fixer. Now they are screwing uo runs with a new GM.
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post May 26 2006, 05:46 PM
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I got a briefcase run once. I made it ALMOST to the end without opening it, but I finally failed my will save. There was a crazy robotic skull inside which I used to do a puppet show with.

I have given briefcase runs. Generally the J doesn't ask the runners to open the briefcase (in my runs) because the contents are worth more than the runners are getting paid. As an experienced runner (as in, someone with friends but also enemies), however, I would be unlikely to accept a briefcase job unless I knew the Johnson or knew what was in the briefcase. Otherwise you just let your worst enemy kill you for $5k down.
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post May 26 2006, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Arethusa)
If you run with genuinely competent professionals, it takes a hell of a lot to make them open the case.

We don't stick to any one cliche when it comes to characters, and especially not the silly (IMO, of course) notion that all Shadowrunners are automatically "genuine competent professionals."

I know a lot of people labor under the idea that to be in the National Organization of Professional Shadowrunners you have to be a Supreme Professional that Always Follows the Johnson's Orders and Never Messes Up. I just never saw the fun in it.

<obligatory disclaimer> I'm not saying anyone's "teh duma$$" for playing that way. I'm saying I don't like playing that way, and I seldom have players that do either. Remember, a differing opinion does not constitute an attack. This is not an attempt at starting a flame war. If it sparks actual conversation, so be it. </disclaimer>
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emo samurai
post May 26 2006, 06:07 PM
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I'll always have the Johnson be smart enough to make sure the players are good. If they aren't, either I screw up, or it's a plot point.
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post May 26 2006, 08:03 PM
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Does not the 'breifcase' run usually get preceeded by a long conversation about french fast food?
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post May 26 2006, 08:07 PM
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Not since Seattle went metric.

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post May 26 2006, 08:18 PM
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I don't know. I didn't go into Burger King.
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