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NightHaunter
post May 30 2006, 04:26 PM
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Ok I was wondering what stats pedestrians have in 4th ed.
Do they standardly have 3 in each +/- metatype modifyers?
Or is it different.
Obviously i'm speaking about an average.
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post May 30 2006, 04:30 PM
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That's how I play the "average" person.
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post May 30 2006, 04:34 PM
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Gang members would be pretty close, adjust from there if you need.
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post May 30 2006, 04:41 PM
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Cool thats how SR3 did it. But with the overall stat reduction I wondered if it might be 2.
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post May 30 2006, 04:53 PM
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Pg. 62 lists a stat of 2 as being underdevoloped, 3 as being Typical. It does feel weird when you think of how it would compare to SR3 though, makes one wonder if 2 translates to a 3rd edition 3....
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post May 31 2006, 07:18 AM
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I run two basic sorts of pedestrians. Jocks have 3 in the physical stats and 2 in the mental. Nerds have 2 in the physical and 3 in the mental. Some special pedestrians have a different spread of four 2s and four 3s.
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post May 31 2006, 07:41 AM
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The basic pedestrian seems to be about four 2s and four 3s. Looking at the drop in attributes from mooks in SR2 to SR4, that seems to be the trend.

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post May 31 2006, 01:05 PM
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Cheers.
I can extrapolate what I need from there.
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post May 31 2006, 07:13 PM
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A few buddies and I discussed this a while back; it really does seem that the "average stat = 3" is a holdover from SR3, but no longer applies.

Of particular interest is the "sample grunts" on ~p275

It seems to indicate "Professional Rating 0" (which would include most civvies) averages to just over 2 for all stats

Professional Rating 1 (gangers) comes in at 2.5 (four 3s, four 2s)
Professional Rating 2 (mall security) comes in at 3 average
Professional Rating 3 (LS officer) comes in at almost 3.5
and it just continues from there.
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post May 31 2006, 08:23 PM
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So, PR of 0 would be all 2s with one 3, maybe?

PR of 3 would be 4 stats at 3 and 4 at 4?

Seems a pretty reasonable progression, how's it work in play?
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post May 31 2006, 09:10 PM
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Mostly depends on how well your PCs follow the guidelines for what stats and skill ratings mean at character creation.

If they go the route of "this is what I do, so I do it really well," the NPC stats really don't hold up. The PCs tend to steamroll them.

If they go the route of "this is what I do, and this is the number the system describes as being the rating that represents my skill level," the NPC stats do fine.
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post May 31 2006, 09:45 PM
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If you have a random dude on the street, no backstory or anything on him, lets say a hotdog vendor, i would say go ahead and give him all 2s in stats (or raciam min+1). that would put him at 160 BP or more. 12 points of knowledges free.

i would suspect he would have pilot ground craft 1, negotiation 4, etiquite 2, con 2, computer 1, data search 1, first aid 1, perception 4, club 1, and a few points in gear for the hodog stand and licsence. enough dice to be able to do his job and make a living, but nothing outstanding.

i would put the random NPCs at a limit of two skills at 4, or 1 skill at 5. cap attributes at 5 (or the racial +4 equivilent).

now if that hot-dog vendor happens to be a troll, then your looking at an 'underdeveloped' strength and body of 6, with everything else at 2. and with that bonus, he will only have half as many skills.
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post May 31 2006, 09:47 PM
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Random pedestrian? Use 2-4 dice according to whim or desription of said NPC. Donīt think about it. Unaugmented + untrained + underequipped = no match for the PC anyway.
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post Jun 1 2006, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (Corywn)
A few buddies and I discussed this a while back; it really does seem that the "average stat = 3" is a holdover from SR3, but no longer applies.

Of particular interest is the "sample grunts" on ~p275

It seems to indicate "Professional Rating 0" (which would include most civvies) averages to just over 2 for all stats

Professional Rating 1 (gangers) comes in at 2.5 (four 3s, four 2s)
Professional Rating 2 (mall security) comes in at 3 average
Professional Rating 3 (LS officer) comes in at almost 3.5
and it just continues from there.

This however is even better.

Seems balanced to work well, i'll try this out.
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post Jun 1 2006, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (Teulisch)
If you have a random dude on the street, no backstory or anything on him, lets say a hotdog vendor, i would say go ahead and give him all 2s in stats (or raciam min+1). that would put him at 160 BP or more. 12 points of knowledges free.

i would suspect he would have pilot ground craft 1, negotiation 4, etiquite 2, con 2, computer 1, data search 1, first aid 1, perception 4, club 1, and a few points in gear for the hodog stand and licsence. enough dice to be able to do his job and make a living, but nothing outstanding.

i would put the random NPCs at a limit of two skills at 4, or 1 skill at 5. cap attributes at 5 (or the racial +4 equivilent).

now if that hot-dog vendor happens to be a troll, then your looking at an 'underdeveloped' strength and body of 6, with everything else at 2. and with that bonus, he will only have half as many skills.

wait in your world hot dog vendors have negotiation 4. Hot dog vendor = politician, diplomat, socialite, senior manager. How often do hot dog vedors haggle of the price of a dog in your city. :)
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