Stat Pedestrians, What are their stats now? Options

[NightHaunter]

Ok I was wondering what stats pedestrians have in 4th ed.
Do they standardly have 3 in each +/- metatype modifyers?
Or is it different.
Obviously i'm speaking about an average.

[mdynna]

That's how I play the "average" person.

[Squinky]

Gang members would be pretty close, adjust from there if you need.

[NightHaunter]

Cool thats how SR3 did it. But with the overall stat reduction I wondered if it might be 2.

[Squinky]

Pg. 62 lists a stat of 2 as being underdevoloped, 3 as being Typical. It does feel weird when you think of how it would compare to SR3 though, makes one wonder if 2 translates to a 3rd edition 3....

[Ophis]

I run two basic sorts of pedestrians. Jocks have 3 in the physical stats and 2 in the mental. Nerds have 2 in the physical and 3 in the mental. Some special pedestrians have a different spread of four 2s and four 3s.

[FrankTrollman]

The basic pedestrian seems to be about four 2s and four 3s. Looking at the drop in attributes from mooks in SR2 to SR4, that seems to be the trend.

-Frank

[NightHaunter]

Cheers.
I can extrapolate what I need from there.

[Corywn]

A few buddies and I discussed this a while back; it really does seem that the "average stat = 3" is a holdover from SR3, but no longer applies.

Of particular interest is the "sample grunts" on ~p275

It seems to indicate "Professional Rating 0" (which would include most civvies) averages to just over 2 for all stats

Professional Rating 1 (gangers) comes in at 2.5 (four 3s, four 2s)
Professional Rating 2 (mall security) comes in at 3 average
Professional Rating 3 (LS officer) comes in at almost 3.5
and it just continues from there.

[ronin3338]

So, PR of 0 would be all 2s with one 3, maybe?

PR of 3 would be 4 stats at 3 and 4 at 4?

Seems a pretty reasonable progression, how's it work in play?

[Shrike30]

Mostly depends on how well your PCs follow the guidelines for what stats and skill ratings mean at character creation.

If they go the route of "this is what I do, so I do it really well," the NPC stats really don't hold up. The PCs tend to steamroll them.

If they go the route of "this is what I do, and this is the number the system describes as being the rating that represents my skill level," the NPC stats do fine.

[Teulisch]

If you have a random dude on the street, no backstory or anything on him, lets say a hotdog vendor, i would say go ahead and give him all 2s in stats (or raciam min+1). that would put him at 160 BP or more. 12 points of knowledges free.

i would suspect he would have pilot ground craft 1, negotiation 4, etiquite 2, con 2, computer 1, data search 1, first aid 1, perception 4, club 1, and a few points in gear for the hodog stand and licsence. enough dice to be able to do his job and make a living, but nothing outstanding.

i would put the random NPCs at a limit of two skills at 4, or 1 skill at 5. cap attributes at 5 (or the racial +4 equivilent).

now if that hot-dog vendor happens to be a troll, then your looking at an 'underdeveloped' strength and body of 6, with everything else at 2. and with that bonus, he will only have half as many skills.

[Ryu]

Random pedestrian? Use 2-4 dice according to whim or desription of said NPC. Don´t think about it. Unaugmented + untrained + underequipped = no match for the PC anyway.

[NightHaunter]

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