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 Trolls and large weapons, are there rules for this? |
 Jun 8 2006, 01:14 PM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222  |
They could definitely use small arms caliber miniguns. There's significant bulk involved in the weapon itself, the power source, and the ammunition, as you said, but beyond that it wouldn't cause serious problems for trolls. With those arms the torque is a non-issue, and the total (uncompensated) recoil force relative to mass is about the same as that for a human firing an M60.
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Jun 8 2006, 02:25 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I would like to point out that the power source is likely less of a problem. They seem to have made some significant advances in battery technology.
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Jun 8 2006, 02:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I was actually mentioning it because I wasn't sure what parts, exactly, come under the header "power source" when talking about minigun components. Apparently, at least in the case of an M134, it's just the battery and cable, so you can largely forget about that bit. It'd be a minor hindrance compared to the ammo, anyway.
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Jun 8 2006, 02:44 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
So much ammo.
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Jun 8 2006, 02:46 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
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Jun 8 2006, 02:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Of course, using the SR rules, it would take a un-augmented human holding the trigger down ~14.67 minutes to use all that ammo up (15 rounds an action and 20 actions a minute) :rotfl:
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Jun 8 2006, 03:46 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Hey, you might well want to surpress for that long.
What about in real-life rules? How long would it really take a minigun to burn through 4400 rounds? |
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Jun 8 2006, 03:50 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
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Jun 8 2006, 05:02 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I recall seeing a demo from one of the big shoots last year of one of the new M60 mods... it's down to about 18 pounds, and they were able to run 850 rounds of ammo through it without stopping once. I wonder if they could quintuple that amount...
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Jun 8 2006, 05:10 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The M60E4. They tried the same thing before in an earlier shoot, and the barrel blew out at around 800-something. You could probably get higher if it were done when its freezing outside instead of on a hot day in a desert, but I wonder if you can reliably get any air-cooled GPMG to over 2000 rounds cyclically. 4400 would be really pushing it, even with the sturdiest and most reliable MGs.
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Jun 8 2006, 05:14 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Take a note from computer cooling: add heat sinks along the barrel, inside of a shroud to protect the user's hands somewhat. It'd add a few pounds, but as a technical exercise, it'd be amusing...
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Jun 8 2006, 05:22 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Make it like the Lewis gun, only with maximized surface area heat sinks like you said. Way more practical than having a revolving barrel and bolt array.
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Jun 8 2006, 05:32 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
The question would be, of course, can we get one of the dumpshock CE dudes to clue us in on how much cooling we could get out of this... :read:
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Jun 8 2006, 07:14 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Well, the kind of standard loadout for an M16A2/M4 is 7 magazines, or 210 rounds. At a pound per loaded mag, that represents 4.5% body weight. To the SR4 Troll, that's 34 lbs. 20 rounds of M33 weighs about 5 lbs. Assuming our hypothetical 20-round .50 BMG mags weigh two pounds a piece, we're looking at 7 lbs/mag. 34/7 = ~5 mags, or 100 rounds. Give him just one more mag (to 5.5% body weight), and he's carrying the same common loadout as a human with an M14. That's not a whole lot of rounds to fire, but even so, it does represent an awful lot of firepower. I mean, can you imagine that?
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Jun 8 2006, 07:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
Oh yes. Oooohhhh yes. I imagine it daily. |
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Jun 8 2006, 09:35 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Oh, yeah... that's the kind of firepower you really want on your side when a firefight starts. A lot of things start getting reclassified as "concealment" rather than "cover..." The limited ammunition count was one of the reasons for my battle rifle imagining of a troll gun. 120 rounds on semiautomatic can last you for a while, but if you start using bursts or suppressing targets, having a grand total of 6 mags of ammo can become an issue. Besides, you can also have the troll carry a few hundred-round belt pouches for the crew's LMG. :cyber: |
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