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rlemansky
post Jun 1 2006, 01:28 AM
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Follow the link-saw it on TV...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_City

Deus Ex Machina, I propose.

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post Jun 1 2006, 02:37 AM
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Its not a new idea. I actually got to attend a Palo Solari lecture a month or so ago (he has been credited with 'inventing' the archology). Really brillant guy.
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post Jun 1 2006, 01:26 PM
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This is a very complex system that is being proposed. Does anyone know how it compares in scope to the largest SR arcology?
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post Jun 1 2006, 01:58 PM
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Not sure about the largest arc, but as compared to the Renraku Arcology:

Over twice as tall (2,004 meters vs. 969 meters)

Base perimeter almost identical (2,800 meters vs. 2,860 meters)

Intended permanent population about seven times as large (~700,000 people vs. ~100,000 people).

Fusion reactor count infinitely smaller (zero vs. three)

Rogue AIs: ? (? vs. two)

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post Jun 1 2006, 02:42 PM
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the reactor count is smaller right now, but if it ever went forward, you would find at least 1 reactor in there. There is no way you are powering that thing on solar. especially with a few industrial levels
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post Jun 1 2006, 03:05 PM
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Oh, doubtless. That said, it's far from guaranteed that we'll have workable fusion by the time this or something like it starts being built—fission's still more likely.

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post Jun 2 2006, 01:08 AM
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One huge problem with all of these arcology ideas: You would have to clear a shitload of space for them. In Tokyo, that's pretty unlikely. I could see an arcology being built on the edge of a city which has somemore or less undeveloped land at it's perimeter, but good luck clearing six or more square kilometers of downtown Tokyo. And believe it or not, a couple of even bigger Tokyo arcologies have been proposed.
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:09 AM
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They were talking about building some of them on the ocean, rather than clearing landspace.
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:28 AM
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That is insane. What does everyone feel about it? Would you like living in the arc, not seeing the sun for weeks on end?

Then again, it actually sounds really spacious; the people in the arc wouldn't be nearly so cramped as the people in the SCIRE, so I guess I'm torn. And Tokyo as it is is really clean, and that's without the modular layout and level of automation the arc definitely will hvae...
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:32 AM
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What prevents you from seeing the sun? Besides simsun and such, there are people that go months without seeing the sun today... But in the case of arcologies, there will still be gardens and parks with sunlight directed deep inside using mirrors and such as needed.
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:34 AM
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I might actually like the SCIRE, I mean Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid. It also seems as if there will be a lot more space for each unit than there is in an average apartment. At 50,000,000 square meters for 240,000 residential units, that's about 200 square meters for each apartment, or about 14 meters on each side. That's really, really good.
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (emo samurai)
What does everyone feel about it?

I feel awesome about it.
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Would you like living in the arc, not seeing the sun for weeks on end?

Leaving aside fancy methods like piping sunlight in via fiberoptics, take another look at that picture—it looks like a bunch of suspended apartment buildings. it's probably only somewhat less sunny than a dense downtown area is today.
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Then again, it actually sounds really spacious; the people in the arc wouldn't be nearly so cramped as the people in the SCIRE, so I guess I'm torn.

Where did you get the idea that the SCIRE was cramped? As long as you aren't a Troll or large Ork, it was quite roomy by all accounts. Consider that, even ignoring the larger industrial areas, the SCIRE is probably not that much less than half the volume of this place while having one-eighth the permanent residents.

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post Jun 2 2006, 01:41 AM
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I edited my above post to include my calculations of living arrangements.

Does anyone have any other information about it? Like traffic handling, power, etc.?
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:47 AM
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Three fusion reactors in the basement...
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:58 AM
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An AI for traffic handling…

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post Jun 2 2006, 02:09 AM
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A few automated hospitals for near-future sci-fi horror...
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post Jun 2 2006, 02:40 AM
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its japan. it will probably have a school in there... im betting on tentacle monsters. posibly from a disgruntled genetic engineer. sushi for everyone!

and then theres fun with zombies....

in all seriousness, i hate to think what a good earthquake or tsunami will do to one of those things...


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post Jun 2 2006, 02:46 AM
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Dude, anything made in Japan can stand a nuke to the FACE.

But seriously, I'm sure that 80-90% of the buildings in Tokyo now could easily withstand an earthquake, to say nothing of a SOTA arcology.
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post Jun 2 2006, 02:52 AM
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Just don't touch it with a katana.

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post Jun 2 2006, 02:54 AM
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...i hate to think what a good earthquake or tsunami will do to one of those things...

[The pyramid] would probably have a better chance against [earthquakes or tsunamis] than the rest of Tokyo:
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Because the world's seismically active Pacific Ring of Fire cuts right through Japan, the external structure of the pyramid will be an open network of megatrusses, supporting struts made from carbon nanotubes to allow the pyramid to stand against high winds, earthquakes, and tsunamis.


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post Jun 2 2006, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE (Kanada Ten)
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...i hate to think what a good earthquake or tsunami will do to one of those things...

It would probably have a better chance against them than the rest of Tokyo.

I don't understand your use of pronouns!!! :grr:
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post Jun 2 2006, 03:08 AM
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The price of "land" in an arcology must be obscene from the construction costs. Also it's probably extremly vulrnable to 9-11 style attacks.
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Kanada Ten
post Jun 2 2006, 03:19 AM
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How is it more vulnerable than another skyscraper? The trusses wouldn't "soften" from a fuel fire as the steel did, so they'd be a bad target. Even taking several sections out wouldn't hurt the structure as a whole due to the spherical transfers. The biggest target would be the cables supporting the individual buildings inside the super structure. In terms of damage, that's more or less equivalent to a plane to building attack, AFAIK.
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post Jun 2 2006, 03:49 AM
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QUOTE (Nasrudith @ Jun 1 2006, 10:08 PM)
Also it's probably extremly vulrnable to 9-11 style attacks.

Guess what it's also extremely vulnerable to? Meteor strikes, controlled demolition, missiles, and the laws of physics!

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post Jun 2 2006, 01:16 PM
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I read somewhere the thing is made so it can all move under ground in the case of giant monster/mecha attack.
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