 RL Arcology, Probably been posted before, but... |
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 Jun 1 2006, 01:28 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 15-May 03 Member No.: 4,591  |
Follow the link-saw it on TV...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_City Deus Ex Machina, I propose. R |
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Jun 1 2006, 02:37 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Its not a new idea. I actually got to attend a Palo Solari lecture a month or so ago (he has been credited with 'inventing' the archology). Really brillant guy.
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Jun 1 2006, 01:26 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
This is a very complex system that is being proposed. Does anyone know how it compares in scope to the largest SR arcology?
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Jun 1 2006, 01:58 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not sure about the largest arc, but as compared to the Renraku Arcology:
Over twice as tall (2,004 meters vs. 969 meters) Base perimeter almost identical (2,800 meters vs. 2,860 meters) Intended permanent population about seven times as large (~700,000 people vs. ~100,000 people). Fusion reactor count infinitely smaller (zero vs. three) Rogue AIs: ? (? vs. two) ~J |
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Jun 1 2006, 02:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
the reactor count is smaller right now, but if it ever went forward, you would find at least 1 reactor in there. There is no way you are powering that thing on solar. especially with a few industrial levels
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Jun 1 2006, 03:05 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Oh, doubtless. That said, it's far from guaranteed that we'll have workable fusion by the time this or something like it starts being built—fission's still more likely.
~J |
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Jun 2 2006, 01:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
One huge problem with all of these arcology ideas: You would have to clear a shitload of space for them. In Tokyo, that's pretty unlikely. I could see an arcology being built on the edge of a city which has somemore or less undeveloped land at it's perimeter, but good luck clearing six or more square kilometers of downtown Tokyo. And believe it or not, a couple of even bigger Tokyo arcologies have been proposed.
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Jun 2 2006, 01:09 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
They were talking about building some of them on the ocean, rather than clearing landspace.
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Jun 2 2006, 01:28 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
That is insane. What does everyone feel about it? Would you like living in the arc, not seeing the sun for weeks on end?
Then again, it actually sounds really spacious; the people in the arc wouldn't be nearly so cramped as the people in the SCIRE, so I guess I'm torn. And Tokyo as it is is really clean, and that's without the modular layout and level of automation the arc definitely will hvae... |
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Jun 2 2006, 01:32 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
What prevents you from seeing the sun? Besides simsun and such, there are people that go months without seeing the sun today... But in the case of arcologies, there will still be gardens and parks with sunlight directed deep inside using mirrors and such as needed.
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Jun 2 2006, 01:34 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
I might actually like the SCIRE, I mean Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid. It also seems as if there will be a lot more space for each unit than there is in an average apartment. At 50,000,000 square meters for 240,000 residential units, that's about 200 square meters for each apartment, or about 14 meters on each side. That's really, really good.
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Jun 2 2006, 01:37 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I feel awesome about it.
Leaving aside fancy methods like piping sunlight in via fiberoptics, take another look at that picture—it looks like a bunch of suspended apartment buildings. it's probably only somewhat less sunny than a dense downtown area is today.
Where did you get the idea that the SCIRE was cramped? As long as you aren't a Troll or large Ork, it was quite roomy by all accounts. Consider that, even ignoring the larger industrial areas, the SCIRE is probably not that much less than half the volume of this place while having one-eighth the permanent residents. ~J |
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Jun 2 2006, 01:41 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
I edited my above post to include my calculations of living arrangements.
Does anyone have any other information about it? Like traffic handling, power, etc.? |
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Jun 2 2006, 01:47 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Three fusion reactors in the basement...
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Jun 2 2006, 01:58 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
An AI for traffic handling…
~J |
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Jun 2 2006, 02:09 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
A few automated hospitals for near-future sci-fi horror...
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Jun 2 2006, 02:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
its japan. it will probably have a school in there... im betting on tentacle monsters. posibly from a disgruntled genetic engineer. sushi for everyone!
and then theres fun with zombies.... in all seriousness, i hate to think what a good earthquake or tsunami will do to one of those things... |
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Jun 2 2006, 02:46 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Dude, anything made in Japan can stand a nuke to the FACE.
But seriously, I'm sure that 80-90% of the buildings in Tokyo now could easily withstand an earthquake, to say nothing of a SOTA arcology. |
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Jun 2 2006, 02:52 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Just don't touch it with a katana.
~J |
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Jun 2 2006, 02:54 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
[The pyramid] would probably have a better chance against [earthquakes or tsunamis] than the rest of Tokyo:
This post has been edited by Kanada Ten: Jun 2 2006, 03:06 AM |
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Jun 2 2006, 03:02 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
I don't understand your use of pronouns!!! :grr: |
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Jun 2 2006, 03:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 10-April 06 Member No.: 8,447 |
The price of "land" in an arcology must be obscene from the construction costs. Also it's probably extremly vulrnable to 9-11 style attacks.
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Jun 2 2006, 03:19 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
How is it more vulnerable than another skyscraper? The trusses wouldn't "soften" from a fuel fire as the steel did, so they'd be a bad target. Even taking several sections out wouldn't hurt the structure as a whole due to the spherical transfers. The biggest target would be the cables supporting the individual buildings inside the super structure. In terms of damage, that's more or less equivalent to a plane to building attack, AFAIK.
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Jun 2 2006, 03:49 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Guess what it's also extremely vulnerable to? Meteor strikes, controlled demolition, missiles, and the laws of physics! ~J |
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Jun 2 2006, 01:16 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I read somewhere the thing is made so it can all move under ground in the case of giant monster/mecha attack.
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