 The Colloton Connection, Page references needed |
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 Jun 1 2006, 08:23 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265  |
I keep reading on these forums that General Angela Colloton is a member of the New Revolution group; re-reading System Failure, I found nodirect reference for that, except for her using the same Jefferson quote ("tree of liberty") as the New Revolution operatives holding Haeffner.
So, I'd like to see any cannon reference to her involvement with the New Revolution. In addition, did any sourcebook have any picture of her? |
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Jun 1 2006, 10:37 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
She may not be a Revolution memeber but she did order the death of the president, that could be taken as a a bit dodgy...
The "Tree of Liberty" quote used implies certain amount of removal of deadwood... maybe from the Revolution, I think there is a something in the fiction that implies she's an agent of the Rev. |
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Jun 1 2006, 11:00 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Jesus. Just kill me already.
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Jun 1 2006, 11:27 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It is as obvious that Colloton ordered Haeffner's death as it is obvious that Lyndon B. Johnson ordered Kenedy's death. No sane person would deny either but the actual evidence is lacking.
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Jun 1 2006, 01:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 |
Wasn't she also in charge of the Arcology containment and cleanup?
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Jun 1 2006, 01:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265 |
Yes, she was; check Renraku Arcology: shutdown and System Failure for details. |
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Jun 1 2006, 01:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 |
Yeah got 'em both, just confirming so I can start to scheme.
Aren't Conspiracy "Theories" great!? :vegm: |
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Jun 2 2006, 07:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265 |
Are you thinking what I'm thinking? :evil: |
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Jun 3 2006, 12:24 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
I was never quite clear who exactly it was who foiled the New Revolution coup but still killed the prez. A splinter of the New Revolution or someone else entirely?
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Jun 3 2006, 07:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265 |
Colloton is the prime suspect; she has the motive (creating a power-vacuum for her to fill), she has the means (high rank in the UCAS army so she could get the SpecForce unit to kill Haeffner) and she has a solid alibi to cover her ass (she was speaking to the nation at that time, so eitherthe transmission was recorded or she could just get a collaborator to give the order). Murdering Haeffner doesn't automatically link her to the New Revolution; she could work for any other group (Alamos 20,000? Ares? Bugs? Who knows?) or just for herself (seeking personal power).
What I was looking for is a reference of her linked to the New revolution or any other group. |
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Jun 3 2006, 09:22 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Ask JongWK. He wrote The Tree of Liberty, and said as much.
There are... some discussions about this in the archive if you do a search for Colloton and Jong, or... me. |
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Jun 3 2006, 10:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Rehovot, Israel Member No.: 265 |
Oh, and by the way, SL James, your fanfic is a great piece of fiction!
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Jun 3 2006, 11:55 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Every good story needs a sympathetic villian, and every major investigation needs one star witness. Given the sheer number of connections my PC had to the various interests pre-SF, going back and tying them together to make her the coup's Ollie North was, well, inevitable.
At least, I assume that's what you're talking about. |
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Jun 3 2006, 02:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 |
I think I'm thinking what I think, I think you're thinking! :rotfl: :vegm: |
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Jun 3 2006, 09:05 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the NR coup was not foiled. it went off almost exactly as it was planned. the NR didn't have the firepower to maintain a military hold on the UCAS, much less the CAS and the various NANs. so the upper echelons of the NR pulled the wool over everyone's eyes, including the rest of the NR. they set up a massive boogey man to scare everyone into thinking a military faction was taking over the US--and then the real NR pulled a countercoup in the name of the UCAS. edit: for future reference, -X- is impossible to quote. his name gives the system fits when you try to use it as the author of a quote. |
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Jun 3 2006, 09:46 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
you cant put the name in double-quotes?
hrmf, didnt turn out as expected... |
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Jun 4 2006, 12:40 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
So the tippy top of the NR doesn't care about reuniting the old US? Or rather that isn't their point in existing. They created the NR just to gather enough support to take out the existing UCAS government and then take over? As for the name..., well I would have just been plain 'X' but the system didn't allow it, hence the additional '-'s to get the nick up to three characters without being XXX or something. Not sure what I can do about it now but it is certainly lame that I can't be quoted easily. |
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Jun 4 2006, 01:01 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
more that the forum code for some reason does not support "'s around the nick. alltho i think it uses it for timestamps...
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Jun 4 2006, 01:10 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 19-May 06 Member No.: 8,576 |
I meant just X but the forum rules called for at least three characters. So the dashes are just filler really. |
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Jun 4 2006, 02:30 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Eff.
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Jun 4 2006, 03:34 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
they simply knew there'd be no way to reunite the old US through military might. trying to put together an army and smashing all the other nations until they submit would grind the entire continent to dust--civil war is not, generally speaking, an event that makes a nation stronger. note that there were revolutions and upheavals in Tsimshian and the Tir. the Tsimshian revolt is especially interesting: just like in the UCAS, revolutionaries rose up, took over the offices of the nation's governments, and then were taken down a short time later--but not before the head of state (and god knows how many others in the power structure) were killed. i'm willing to bet that similar events occured all over North America. this isn't the culmination of the NR's plan, it's just the first step. they got their people into power in at least two nations, possibly three (who the hell knows who's on whose payroll in the Tir?), possibly more. |
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Jun 4 2006, 04:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
i know what your both thinking and no we cannot turn this into a drop bear thread, and no the drop bear army is not ready to strike that deep into a seat of government. |
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Jun 4 2006, 04:23 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
*ahem* Ute. Look what happened to them. They're now a part of the third-largest country in non-Aztlan North America, which probably has a considerable amount of influence over the rest of the CFS. Also, according to Missions 02-003(?) ("The Grab," whichever that is) there was a concerted campaign mounted by UCAS Special Forces and most likely the rest of SOCOM and any intelligence agency paramilitary operatives to assassinate several remaining New Revolution leaders in hiding. In 2068. I wonder what else happened in 2068. |
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Jun 4 2006, 09:21 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
If you think so... :P |
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Jun 4 2006, 03:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-March 06 From: Quebec, Canada Member No.: 8,415 |
You know, I really like that idea. It's sinister. :D What about the Canada bit? Would they want to take the bits of ex-Canada in it, like Québec, Algokin-Manitou and the Arthabasca? |
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