Stealing Monowire |
Stealing Monowire |
Jun 5 2006, 03:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
And was once again reminded of the argument about the sense of putting monowire on the top of a perimeter wall. If there are people out there able to make money stealing copper wire... I need to have a talk with the other players in our game, and see if we can't re-focus our efforts... We'll steal security systems, never actually breaching the perimeter of the target building. ;) |
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Jun 5 2006, 03:01 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Yes, this is also one of the reasons cell phones have more or less taken over the phone market in places like the Philippines. You can put armed guards and a fence around your celluar phone repeater and be pretty sure it won't wander off in the night.
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Jun 6 2006, 02:08 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Yeah, I always thought how it was pretty ninja you could just steal monowire and make a huge profit. That's why as a GM I would mostly used normal barbed wire.
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Jun 6 2006, 02:32 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Corps in my game use monowire. Corps are also generally not entirely stupid. I'll leave the reader to make the conclusions.
~J |
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Jun 6 2006, 02:39 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Electrified monowire.
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Jun 6 2006, 02:42 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Its pretty bad here in hawaii too. Copper wire and such getting stolen from highway lights, schools. Kinda sad actually.
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Jun 6 2006, 02:54 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Nah... It'd never be able to carry enough current to matter - anything meaningful would burn it out, like a lightbulb filament in the open air. |
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Jun 6 2006, 02:58 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Well, where's the fun in putting it indoors, where it'd make most sense? ;) I can see some common-sense uses for the stuff, but in general, it just seems like such a hassle to set up and maintain... And has a little too much of a D&D trap feel to it for my taste. |
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Jun 6 2006, 03:22 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
yeah, but the high-voltage 60 hz buzzing is a nice psychological deterrent. |
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Jun 6 2006, 04:06 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
A burnt out wire doesn't buzz anymore.
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Jun 6 2006, 04:18 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i always figured the best use of monowire is in places no one's supposed to go anyway. when the lights go out at night, string a few lines of monowire around the yard. barbed wire is great because it's visible; almost anything you'd use to bypass it will stand out to a casual observer--like, say, a guard on patrol. monowire, though, isn't much use unless its presence and location are not generally known.
and while you couldn't run any serious amount of voltage through a monowire line, you could run enough to detect if it gets cut. there are ways around that, too, of course, but it's one more thing for infiltrators to deal with. |
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Jun 6 2006, 06:52 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That's one of the best ways to protect the stuff, actually, though probably not the way you're thinking. Put it this way: if a current is running through monowire, and the wire is cut, what measurable thing happens to the current? ~J |
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Jun 6 2006, 07:20 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it grows an organic jetpack. i'm not going to get into all the scientific details, but it's very true and very scary.
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Jun 6 2006, 09:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
I think the most horrendous use for monowire that I've come up with is actually quite a simple idea. In fact, I can sum it up on one word: Netgun.
Monowire also makes an appearance at any time when you can't easily stop, such as a pit or a vertical shaft (air conditioning or otherwise). Wide-swath lawnmowers (for very, very large fields) are also made using monowire. Nothing like a lawnmower that's about the same size as a floor buffer being able to mow a path 100 yards wide. Just don't step off while it's running... |
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Jun 6 2006, 01:09 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
LoL ... so you were the one that got me hooked on Dr. McNinja. Apparently mimes are will be important in the fight against jetpacks. |
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Jun 6 2006, 01:14 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
I was reading a story about grenade slicers. Those would be nasty. Does anyone know what source book they come from? Rounds that fit into a grenade launcher, when fired they split and the two weighted ends separate with a length of monowire floating in between. |
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Jun 6 2006, 02:51 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Heck with grenade launchers. There's already bolo-style ammo for shotguns today.
Monowire shotgun bolo rounds? -karma |
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Jun 6 2006, 05:20 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
What a fantastically complicated way to shoot someone.
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Jun 6 2006, 05:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
maybe you could rub the monowire with garlic, so it poisons your targets.
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Jun 6 2006, 05:49 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Nah, wooden monowire is best. It causes extra damage to vampires.
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Jun 6 2006, 07:11 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Well, the Frag-12 shotgun round is also a fantastically complicated way of shooting someone too, but it's still being developed.
Back to the grenade thingy, a number of models of fragmentation grenades in the past have used notched wire wrapped around the explosive charge as part of the "fragmentation" part of the device. Is there any reason you couldn't substitute monowire? -karma |
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Jun 6 2006, 07:20 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Because monowire, having virtually no mass, has virtually no momentum. It's like throwing a hair at someone to kill them. Monowire, even if we're willing to believe it could exist, still needs to be weighted.
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Jun 6 2006, 07:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
It'd also probably melt / burn as a result of the explosion - think of a cobweb exposed to a flame... I'm sure there could be ways around it, but that's just one more strike against an already impractical idea. And if you weighed it down to make sure it had enough momentum, it'd basically end up being no more effective than a shotgun simply firing a shell full of the weights, since the wire wouldn't penetrate deeper than the weights would. |
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Jun 6 2006, 07:50 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 96 Joined: 13-April 06 Member No.: 8,459 |
William Gibson had something like this in All Tomorrow's Parties. It wasn't monowire, but shot packs of razorwire out. The guy that gets hit with it becomes mush. I'm honestly surprised that I haven't seen it stolen in a shadowrun book yet. |
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Jun 6 2006, 07:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Actually, IIRC it was something that fired lengths of chainsaw chain, wasn't it? Chain of some kind, anyway... It was basically a sci-fi blunderbuss, if it could've shoot that, it could have fired jagged scrap metal, or a couple of pounds of buckshot, but it wouldn't have sounded as cool. |
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