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 Jun 10 2006, 07:07 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd  Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473  |
Wow, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.
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Jun 10 2006, 07:13 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Dude, I thought it was the general consensus that I was criticized a LOT more than I myself criticized others. The only real criticizing I remember doing is biting back at the people who flame me and troll my campaign and character threads.
So it's more like the slightly-stained white coffee mug calling the kettle black, or the piece of coal you got for Christmas, or what have you. |
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Jun 10 2006, 11:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
I'm glad you've changed your mind tisoz. Personally I like this story, and I got it first time. Maybe WR was just a little too clever, and I can see it wasn't exactly what you were asking for or expecting- but even so I think it's wise for the operator of a contest to remain neutral, even encouraging, regarding the entries, else it puts potential entrants off. I hope WR will reconsider withdrawing his other entries (if it's not too late). They're good and have drawn a lot of praise, as you can see. |
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Jun 11 2006, 02:22 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I skimmed them, and they seem head and shoulders above his previous entries. I was kind of getting the vibe from his entries that he wanted to only tangentially link it to the topic, or just plain pervert the intent of the topic. Both of which failed to endear his entries to me in any way. |
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Jun 11 2006, 10:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Yes I can see why that would put you off. I sympathize but that's no reason to haul him over the coals.
Actually I'd recommend doing more than just skimming those other stories. They really are quite excellent. True, there is a small bit in the first story that again breaks the fourth wall (in a witty but ultimately ill-advised manner) but aside from that and some minor issues that would be cleaned up in any editorial process, I think they're amongst the best SR fiction I've read so far. |
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Jun 11 2006, 04:31 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Think of it this way, tisoz: do you want to join with the warriors of light, or the grim hordes of darkness? Choose wisely. :vegm:
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Jun 11 2006, 04:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,086 |
Alright -- people probably aren't going to like this..
But this was a Shadowrun Fiction event.. Wounded Ronin's story, while interesting and daring, I'm not entirely sure counts. It's a story about someone being punished by the GM for joing a Shadowrun group. It's a real person's initiation, where Shadowrun is actually more incidental. Not a piece of Shadowrun fiction. To my mind, it's an interesting story, but it doesn't meet the implicit requirement being Shadowrun fiction. It's not even set entirely in the Shadowrun world -- that should have been a big hint. Wounded Ronin's other stories are entirely set in the Shadowrun world, and read as Shadowrun fiction -- if they had been in this position, there would have been no doubt that they should have "won". If they were in a competition with others, they very well may have won that. I won't say they will have, but they are well written, cohesive. |
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Jun 11 2006, 06:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Yes, and I understand that. WR was, in a sense, exploiting a loophole in the rules, or rather breaking an unspoken rule. But given all the other entries of his, it's clear he wasn't trying to take the piss.
With hindsight I suppose it's evident that the better way to handle this would have been for tisoz to PM WR as soon as he submitted this story (but before any final vote on the contest) to explain politely that it wasn't appropriate for this contest and wouldn't be accepted as an entrant. Still- hindsight is always 20-20 I guess. |
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Jun 11 2006, 08:38 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
It has already been decided, Wounded Ronin won. Last night I sent him a short list of books from which to choose.
Ultimately, it is my taste that will choose a winner, or in this case a loser. However, I do listen to feedback and let it influence me to a degree. I thought this submissin subpar and following on the heels of his last submisssion, which also looked like an exploitation of a loophole, looked to be setting a poor trend. If a player in a GMs game pulled similar stunts, I doubt the GM would be too tolerant. But there are eveidently a few people other than WR and a couple close friends that enjoyed the story. Their votes and the civil discussion about the contest did influence me enough to award the story the win. I just hope there is a bit more competition and a higher standard in the future. |
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Jun 11 2006, 11:46 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Tisoz, Thank you very much for reconsidering your decision and awarding me a prize for this entry. From your explanation I can understand your initial frustration you felt when it looked like I was entering "stub" stories to win on a technicality. I would like to apologize for any stress I may have caused you and would like to reiterate my gratitude for your reconsideration. I have recieved your PM of prize lists and will get back to you shortly. I wish you the very best of luck on the contiunation of a successful and exciting contest. |
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