 Shadows of Latin America, A query |
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 Jun 6 2006, 02:38 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 4-December 02 From: Ankeny, IA Member No.: 3,684  |
I was (and still am) very excited about Shadows of Latin America. Has there been any word about when Holostreets is going to be up and running?
Any book that updates Aztlan is a book that I *need*. I signed up for the Holostreets e-mail update list ages ago, but nothing has ever come of it, so I was just wondering... most of you are a bit more in the loop than me. --PenAgain |
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Jun 6 2006, 03:11 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
I'm in the same spot you are, no news at all.
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Jun 6 2006, 10:34 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I wish I could update you on it, but I don't really know anything to tell you.
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Jun 7 2006, 01:32 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Apologies if this is common knowledge, but is it pretty safe to assume that by now, SoLA is going to be SR4 specific?
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Jun 7 2006, 01:51 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Spirit Kingdom of Palmdale, CFS (Mojave Desert) Member No.: 7,550 |
Actually I was under the impression that it was 3rd Ed. I believe it was supposed to have been released before 4th ed came out, and I don’t think their re-writing it, just releasing it for free because it’s out of date. But I might be remembering it completely wrong. I hope they release it soon, I want to read this book.
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Jun 7 2006, 02:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
I heard they were releasing it as PDF only. Personally, I think that's a pain in the ass - not everybody has the time to go to Kinko's and print out a copy, bind it, etc.
They oughta just release it in bookstores for a cheaper price - say, $10? |
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Jun 7 2006, 02:46 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
It's most definitely PDF only. That was official a long time ago. While I agree on PDFs sucking in comparison to books, I don't think we're likely to get our way on this one.
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Jun 7 2006, 10:33 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Negative profit margin should generally be avoided by any for-profit venture. |
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Jun 7 2006, 11:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
I'd be very happy if we ever did get even the pdf... |
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Jun 7 2006, 11:09 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Personally, I'd like to just add it to the product schedule and update it for SR4 somewhere down the line (ala Running Wild). Though it's not something that could really be done now, because most of the writers who worked on SoLA are swamped on other projects (I know myself, Peter, and JWK have been plenty busy) and some of the authors for the smaller sections might be hard to track down. If we couldn't get them to update their sections, then the rest of us would be taking on more work.
But that's just what I'd like to do, and it's not really my call. ;) |
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Jun 7 2006, 02:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Definitely. I'd be happy to pay full price even for an outdated 3rd edition version of SoLA. |
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Jun 7 2006, 03:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Yeah, so would I, but my point is how many OTHER people would be? My guess is not so many, which is why I suggested the bargain basement price. |
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Jun 7 2006, 04:17 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
I would. But agreed that it might be a more limited market. Which is at least part of the reason why they are choosing a distribution model to support the pricing. So they can still get it out to the people that want the content without losing money on distribution.
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Jun 7 2006, 04:20 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
How much really needs updating? Are you talking only SR3 to SR4 dice mechanics, or also adding and updating the info to fill the timeline from 2064-2069? |
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Jun 7 2006, 04:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
I'd also love to update it at some point. |
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Jun 7 2006, 05:14 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Dice mechanics, yes, but I'm also talking about updating the setting material for a 2070 setting. Which wouldn't be a huge amount of work, really, and I wrote two of the larger chapters for SoLA (Aztlan and the Carib League). 90% of what I wrote for each of those hasn't changed in the five year gap. |
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Jun 7 2006, 05:48 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
When a book is expected to sell fewer copies [and thus printed in a less quantity], the price actually has to go *up*, as the fixed costs of a book -- writers, layout guys, artists, etc -- do not go down. |
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Jun 8 2006, 12:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Frankly I'd love to just to see something up on Holostreets.
SoLA would be great, but.. well anything would do at this point! |
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Jun 8 2006, 02:03 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Please put it out for SR3 first. Heck, it already exists, right? I mean, even if you wanted to update it and release it for SR4, you could dump the PDF for 3e on us.
(You being a non-specific reference to "the beings at large that release the SR products".) |
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Jun 8 2006, 03:35 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Bah. You and your microeconomic theory. |
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Jun 8 2006, 12:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
That's fine. I'd pay $40-45 bucks for it, even if it is 3rd edition. Hell, I just went out and bought a hard copy of the 4th edition bible that I'll probably never really use and probably only look at once or twice in my life. I bought the PDF when it came out, and PDFs are far more useful to my needs, but I still wanted the book. As for updating SoLA, why bother until it's necessary? Unless there's a ton of mechanics that we need to use the supplement in SR4 (doubtful), individual GMs can always update the material as they see fit when necessary. SoLA is a setting book, and setting books are all about fleshing out areas and inspiring ideas, two things that work the same regardless of what edition the book is written for. |
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Jun 8 2006, 12:46 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I think it'd be unwise to release SoLA for $40. As a writer, I want people to actually get a chance to read what I wrote, preferably as many people as possible. The best way to accomplish that would be to either toss it out there for free (in which case we probably wouldn't update it, since our writing time is better used elsewhere) or make it completely relevent to the current game line and release it at a standard price. I know there are people out there who would buy it if it were $40, or $50, or whatever, but I want to get it to a lot of people, not just those few people. On updating SoLA: The vast majority of the book is setting material. While there are definitely mechanics in there that no longer make a whole lot of sense with SR4's mechanics, I also think it would be important to update the setting material too. There's been a five year progression in the timeline and many important events happened in that period (wireless AR being one major thing). Just to toss out one example: the material I wrote for the Aztlan chapter on San Diego would need to be updated, since it has been hit with a major earthquake and flooded since then. What I wrote made sense for 2064 San Diego, but doesn't accurately reflect 2070 San Diego. |
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Jun 9 2006, 01:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Having a rarity like SoLA as a PDF is a good thing, but I want it NOW. Reading location books was one of the great things about SR3.
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Jun 9 2006, 01:42 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Corrected. Five cents please. :D So what is the hold up? (Not asked in a whiny "come on guyyyys" voice, just a "I wonder" sort of thing. Okay, maybe a little whiny. ;)) |
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Jun 9 2006, 01:45 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Believe us guys, nobody would like to see this one published more than the writers. There's a lot of nice stuff in the book, and like SoA and SoE, it isn't just the obvious places that get have all the cool surprises.
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