 Alphaware? Where did it go?, I miss my Alpha. |
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Horror  Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445  |
Did the cyberware grades dissapear with SR4? I mean, it's the only real way to get Wired Reflexes 2 without crippling yourself for further Cyber. Not to mention Wired 3, which practically requires deltaware to be installed in anything other than an organic gun-drone of a security wageslave.
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Jun 7 2006, 08:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Check out the table on page 303 of your Bible for cyberware grades.
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Jun 7 2006, 08:30 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
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Fuggin'. LOVE. You! My DM didn't think Alpha was still available at chargen, we just haden't seen it. :) |
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Jun 7 2006, 03:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
as an added bonus, non-cultured bioware can be in grades as well. if you can afford it anyhow.
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Jun 7 2006, 03:56 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Hey, my char has standard wired 2. Admittedly, he's at 0,01 Essenz right now. But he has a lot of usefull stuff implanted. Of course, i would have bought it as alpha grade, but there was this 50 BP limit for equipment ... ;).
Cultured bioware can be, as well. As was discussed numerous times. If you have the money. |
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Jun 7 2006, 05:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 371 Joined: 10-January 06 From: Regina Member No.: 8,145 |
I always thought there were only 2 grade of Bioware: Cultured and non-Cultured.
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Jun 7 2006, 06:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
I won't go into how I thought it was in SR3 :D.
In SR4 all bioware is available in the grades standard - delta. Cultured Bioware has to be custom made for its recipient, even the standard grade. That seems to be the only drawback. (And the costs, of course :P). |
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Jun 7 2006, 06:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 27-October 05 From: Waterloo, ON Member No.: 7,900 |
I don't think that's true.
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Jun 7 2006, 06:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Please use Search. This has been discussed to death, including an email reply from Rob at Fanpro. SR4 cultured bioware is available in grades from Standard through Delta, with applicable cost adjustments.
So you can get Synaptic Boosters III implanted for only 0.75 Essense, but it'll cost you 2.4 million :nuyen: before street cost adjustments. |
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Jun 7 2006, 08:33 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I think the only difference between "cultured" and normal bioware is the custom-made descriptor (which would seem to exclude getting "used cultured bioware," although I don't believe the rules explicitly state this).
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Jun 7 2006, 09:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
That does strongly suggest that used cultured bioware would at least require serious alterations before implanting, and it seems entirely reasonable that it would either be more expensive than new or outright impossible. The Street Cost modifier on page 303 for "Item used" is only -20%. That doesn't leave a lot of margin for custom alterations of an implant. |
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Jun 7 2006, 09:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
I think it strongly suggests that cultured bioware normally can't be used for someone else...
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Jun 7 2006, 10:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,401 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
Beta grade bioware roughly takes the place of cultured bioware in SR 4. And now you can go one step further and go delta, course, with the cost requirements on even 'regular' grade bioware, delta cost mods seem a little insane for the essence modifier, so beta (in my opinion) still seems to be the most bang for your buck. |
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Jun 9 2006, 06:46 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Um ok I have a question about this first line you said. If previous cyber grades are Standard, Alpha, Beta, and Delta and previous bio grades are Standard, and Cultured then under the new rules following the grade levels as they are printed wouldn't the bio grades be Standard = Standard , and Cultured = Alpha? Which leaves 2 levels Beta, and Delta of upgrades to go on either Standard, or Cultured? |
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Jun 9 2006, 06:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
That cultured bioware counts as betaware is a SR3 thing, and not in SR4.
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Jun 9 2006, 08:12 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
It works like this... Cyberware: Standard -> Alpha -> Beta -> Delta Bioware: Standard/Cultured -> Alpha -> Beta -> Delta |
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