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post Jun 15 2006, 10:04 PM
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This topic was inspired by previous posts on unusual skills, and the hymnal having Elven Wines as a listed skill.

Personally, I love wines. I love to learn about new wines as well.

And as some of you, or all of you, may know, much of how a wine is classified depends on the grape. Pinot Noir, riesling, etc.

So, I was wondering, with the Awakening, and with Gene therapy, and other modifications, has anyone come up with strange ideas for new grapes and wines?

Something like MoonGrape. This grape is very hardy and actually is best if pressed after a freeze, and made into an eiswein, or Ice Wine. This provides more sugar, and makes it more of a dessert wine. This grape is an awakened offshoot of the riesling, and provides interesting intoxicating effects to Awakened people, such as seeing only in the astral, or seeing the astral in a negative image of how they normally perceive it.

Any other ideas?
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post Jun 15 2006, 10:15 PM
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This is a great topic for game flavor. Unfortunately, I don't really know enough about wine to make any interesting comments. The only thing I can think of offhand is differently colored grapes by genetic modification. So fortified wine connoisseurs like myself who have had their bitter affairs with MD 20/20 won't be the only people to experience orange "wine".

You know this would bring in the lowbrow folks who like anything in a bizarre color.
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post Jun 15 2006, 10:33 PM
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Yeah, Geekkake's got a good one there. Awakened grapes might have orange or blue or black skin, which leads to different color vintages than we are used to.

Adding the concept of the Awakening to all the organic goodness that goes into wine could have several effects:
1. Grapes. Besides color, the fruitiness, sugar content, and texture could be altered by an Awakened grape.

2. Aging. Special Awakened Oak or something?

3. Effect. Some Awakened wine could have an effect on a Mage's ability to cast, perhaps causing unintended effects, Astral Perception (The Deepweed Effect), a healthy glow, that kind of thing.

4. New hidden flavors. I went wine tasting once and I drank a vintage that had "strong hints of toast". An Awakened wine might appeal to more common or uncommon pallets. Imagine the glass with a beefy finish.

5. Fermentation. Awakened yeast might ferment sugar into an entirely different substance in addition to the alcohol, such as the aforementioned deepweed effect, a luminescent or flourescent wine, who knows what else?

More importantly, I bet many Vineyards would tout their position in a "High-Magic Area", regardless of the effect or lack thereof on the wine.
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post Jun 15 2006, 10:33 PM
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Considering where Tir Tairngire is located a good place to start might be researching present day Oregon Wineries, well not as well known as either California or Washington wines Oregon produces some very good reds, no reason to think this stopped because elves took over. Grape varieties aren't likely to have changed much, there may be a few awakened varieties that have popped up. However the Immortals that run the country probably have literature on vinicultural technique and oenology and the long life spans of regular elves give them a great deal of time to perfect their craft.

EDIT: added a wine link
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post Jun 15 2006, 10:38 PM
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Ripple 2070 gonna make my Toxin Filter work overtime me thinks. ;)
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post Jun 15 2006, 11:13 PM
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Gene tech yeast could withstand much higher alchohol contents, turning wines into seriously alchoholic beverages. Or they could output some other chemical rather than alchohol from the sugar, you could have Acid wine, novacoke wine.

In my game, there was always a distillery in the barrens that sold trollshine. The rigger I played used it do degrease his engines.
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post Jun 15 2006, 11:51 PM
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Don't forget that you can make "wine" out of things besides grapes...
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post Jun 16 2006, 12:32 AM
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True, some of my favorites are made from other things

Rocky Mountain Meadery has an awesome selection of meads, and there is a place called St Kathryns that sells cranberry wine, and strawberry rhubarb.
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post Jun 16 2006, 02:15 AM
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QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)
Ripple 2070 gonna make my Toxin Filter work overtime me thinks. ;)

...dont forget ol' ThunderTrain 20-20. Mmm...mmm...now that's what I call tres chic drinkin'.

Available now at your nearest StufferShack
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post Jun 16 2006, 05:25 PM
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Wonder why they'd advertise that a cheap booze would keep your vision perfect... ThunderTrain 20-100 or something would probably sell faster :)
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post Jun 16 2006, 05:27 PM
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"ThunderTrain 20-100, Filled with nano lazik bots!"
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post Jun 16 2006, 05:54 PM
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http://www.bumwine.com/

These should all be updated for 2070
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post Jun 16 2006, 06:05 PM
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Keep in mind, the REALLY good wines were probably bottled pre Awakening.

As for my offering...

Santa Margaretta Pinot Grisio...AKA "Yum in a Bottle"
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post Jun 16 2006, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (neon_samurai)
Keep in mind, the REALLY good wines were probably bottled pre Awakening.

As for my offering...

Santa Margaretta Pinot Grisio...AKA "Yum in a Bottle"

Not always C man. In fact, not mostly. Most wines are bottled and meant to be imbibed within 1 to 5 years. Only a small percentage is meant to be aged. In addition, several wine magazines have had reviewers who scored young wines higher than aged wines. It all depends on personal taste, as well as circumstances around the making of the wine.


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post Jun 16 2006, 06:15 PM
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http://www.tomasellowinery.com/

i got a bottle of this from the grocey store. blackberry wine is good stuff :)

personaly, my tastes run towards lambic, which is technicaly a beer imported from belgium.

at the local wine store (where they stock lambic), theres a brand called 'cheap red wine'.
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post Jun 16 2006, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (Shadowmeet @ Jun 16 2006, 06:13 PM)
QUOTE (neon_samurai @ Jun 16 2006, 12:05 PM)
Keep in mind, the REALLY good wines were probably bottled pre Awakening.

As for my offering...

Santa Margaretta Pinot Grisio...AKA "Yum in a Bottle"

Not always C man. In fact, not mostly. Most wines are bottled and meant to be imbibed within 1 to 5 years. Only a small percentage is meant to be aged. In addition, several wine magazines have had reviewers who scored young wines higher than aged wines. It all depends on personal taste, as well as circumstances around the making of the wine.

Very true, and for a bottle to last even a few years it has to be stored properly, otherwise the cork dries and shrinks and the wine oxidates.

Though, pre awakening port would be something else..
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post Jun 16 2006, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE (Lagomorph)
QUOTE (Shadowmeet @ Jun 16 2006, 06:13 PM)
QUOTE (neon_samurai @ Jun 16 2006, 12:05 PM)
Keep in mind, the REALLY good wines were probably bottled pre Awakening.

As for my offering...

Santa Margaretta Pinot Grisio...AKA "Yum in a Bottle"

Not always C man. In fact, not mostly. Most wines are bottled and meant to be imbibed within 1 to 5 years. Only a small percentage is meant to be aged. In addition, several wine magazines have had reviewers who scored young wines higher than aged wines. It all depends on personal taste, as well as circumstances around the making of the wine.

Very true, and for a bottle to last even a few years it has to be stored properly, otherwise the cork dries and shrinks and the wine oxidates.

Though, pre awakening port would be something else..

Although, a lot of highly reputable wine makes are moving towards artificial( read: plastic) corks that work as well, without the threat of cork taint.

Nothing worse than paying 2 grand for a pre-awakened port, and having cork taint.
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post Jun 16 2006, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (Shadowmeet)
QUOTE (Lagomorph @ Jun 16 2006, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE (Shadowmeet @ Jun 16 2006, 06:13 PM)
QUOTE (neon_samurai @ Jun 16 2006, 12:05 PM)
Keep in mind, the REALLY good wines were probably bottled pre Awakening.

As for my offering...

Santa Margaretta Pinot Grisio...AKA "Yum in a Bottle"

Not always C man. In fact, not mostly. Most wines are bottled and meant to be imbibed within 1 to 5 years. Only a small percentage is meant to be aged. In addition, several wine magazines have had reviewers who scored young wines higher than aged wines. It all depends on personal taste, as well as circumstances around the making of the wine.

Very true, and for a bottle to last even a few years it has to be stored properly, otherwise the cork dries and shrinks and the wine oxidates.

Though, pre awakening port would be something else..

Although, a lot of highly reputable wine makes are moving towards artificial( read: plastic) corks that work as well, without the threat of cork taint.

Nothing worse than paying 2 grand for a pre-awakened port, and having cork taint.

Paying 20 grand?
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post Jun 16 2006, 06:57 PM
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...not out of the question. Especially if it has been cellared properly.

I paid $165 for a bottle of vintage 1963 port back in the 90's. Very tasty I might add.
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post Jun 16 2006, 07:17 PM
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Well, I actually stated 2 grand, but there are wines that have gone for tremendous amounts, and will likely only be opened when some rich guy is on his deathbed.
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post Jun 16 2006, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (Teulisch)
at the local wine store (where they stock lambic), theres a brand called 'cheap red wine'.

Sold.
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post Jun 16 2006, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (Geekkake)
QUOTE (Teulisch @ Jun 16 2006, 01:15 PM)
at the local wine store (where they stock lambic), theres a brand called 'cheap red wine'.

Sold.

I actualy had a bottle of "Cheap White Wine" a while back. Not too bad actualy.
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post Jun 16 2006, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (Geekkake)
QUOTE (Teulisch @ Jun 16 2006, 01:15 PM)
at the local wine store (where they stock lambic), theres a brand called 'cheap red wine'.

Sold.

...I've seen it too.

There has been a rash of overly "cheeky" wine brand names as of late like:

Big House Red
Big Ass
Wine by Joe
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post Jun 16 2006, 10:16 PM
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Yeah, you really can't put aged and young wines in the same scoring category, because one of the masteries of making wine is the abillity to create a wine that will survive the aging process. You can drink a wine up to 6 months after racking. Mead after 1 yr.

Plus taste and flavor are subjective, some would always choose an aged over a fresh young award winner. Just depends on the pallate.

Long live BOXED wine! LOL
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Try some Tannat if you can. It's Uruguay's specialty. :facelick:
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