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 Give the sammies a little love..., where do they shine? |
 Jun 23 2006, 10:02 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Arlington, TX Member No.: 7,909  |
I really love the idea of a Spirit/Ghost hunting adept.
Astral Perception, some mystic armor, a weapon focus and some assensing. Knowledge of Summoning/Banishing. Occult knowledges. Investigation skills, and contacts. Very tres chic. |
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Jun 23 2006, 10:07 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I agree, There wouldn't be references to readable impressions if they shouldn't be used, but making the leap from impression to trackable aura is a bit much.
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Jun 23 2006, 10:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 244 Joined: 8-June 06 Member No.: 8,681 |
Who ya gonna call? :) |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:22 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
well yeah its a big nerf bat but if you have a problem with spirits and magic a nerf bat should be used. As I incoherently pointed out I don't have an issue yet with magic being too good. But if someone does nerf things. Also yeah not all sec teams will target the mage, and those guys can get eaten by the spirit of doom. If the mage is the target well then its time for the sammie to shine and save the day. And if the mage is invisible well then lets hope the sec team has ultrasound goggles and if not well then flashbang the area you think the mage is to death. :) probably get themselves to in that 10m radius, but hey they may be ok with enough armor on. |
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Jun 24 2006, 11:01 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
Concealment applies to all perception tests. When a rigger is in control, they roll sensors+perception for that test. Wether or not a test in which perception is rolled counts as a perception test, even if it has another name also, I think is completely open to debait. I'm arguing this point for a number of reasons. Firstly, Continuity. Concealment worked against sensors in 3rd edition, a fact that I've seen used in many runs. Secondly, I don't see how drones could be completely unaffected by this power. If a normal character has all of the vision modes and ultrasound, they still get -force in dice on tests to see the subject. In that, it's established that the concealment power works against a range of electromagnetic frequencies (at-least normal through thermographic) and sound (ultrasound). With the exception of radar, there's little that the drone can have which it isn't already established that the concealment power works against. In the case of radar, it's just another electromagnetic frequency which concealment works against many of. Thirdly, I actually quite like the idea of using spirits to hide from technological sensors. It reminds me slightly of the predator movie, when arnie crawls out of the water through the mud and the predator doesn't pick him up on his thermographic vision because of the thick mud covering. Even without the concealment versus drones issue, however, I think that I have proven my point that mages aren't powerless against riggers in this edition. Assensing and psycometry are a powerful and flavourful tool. By the RAW, a characer coming into contact with an object leaves an impression of their aura on that object. Also by the RAW, it takes 2 successes to identify an aura if you've seen it before. There's no changing of rules involved there, that's just one of the powers of magic. I did say that you got a lot for 15BP, didn't I? @Shadowmeet: Adepts actually make some of the best people at assensing thanks to the Enhanced Perception power. Using it, it's not too much trouble to make a guy who rolls 15-16 dice for assensing. That's enough to on-average get the 5 successes required for the maximum level of detail, like details of all of the subjects implants and details and reasons for their emotional state. What you can get almost amounts to mind-reading. |
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Jun 24 2006, 05:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Because obviously Arnie was using the spirits of the mud to mask his body temperature. ;)
It says you leave an impression. It doesn't ever mention the word aura. It's quite possible to leave an emotional impression with no tracable ties to who left it. If you choose to add trackability of auras to the word impression, that's obviously your choice to make, but it's most definitely a house rule. |
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Jul 4 2006, 02:29 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,751 |
How hard would it be to commit a crime, any crime, if anything you have ever touched can be used to track you/send a spirit after you? Bullet casing, doorknobs, the ground beneath your feet.
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Jul 4 2006, 03:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
Seeing as this thread has been resurrected...
I'm in agreement with prior comments by Shadowmeet and Nim about Psychometry. You can't assense someones aura off anything someone has touched. The term impression means you can detect what a holder was feeling or doing (in an abstract sense) when they were in contact with the object. There is another thread about material components which is related to this. I think to leave anything like an astral signature on an object it would need to fulfil the criteria of a material link as well and as such it would need a strong association with the target. On the OT... what was it? how to make Sams stand out in a game? Play to their strengths. If they can't do anything unique in the party then they have a problem. But it's exactly the same problem you might have if you had 3 faces, all of them competing over who got to shmooze Johnson, or three combat mages all trying to sling powerballs at the same time. I'd also like to give my two yen on a spirits concealment power. I feel that the type of concealment should in some way reflect the spirit type. It's called concealment after all, not invisibility. So, say an Earth spirit might generate a cloud of dust or an air spirit might make clouds, or a water spirit might make fog, or a fire spirit might make smoke. These would all make it harder to spot the characters, but the guards would still probably notice the smoke or whathaveyou. Comments? |
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Jul 4 2006, 03:12 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,751 |
On the topic, sams rock fairly hard. They have a harder time against spirits yes, but I haven't run into a spirit yet that couldn't have its day ruined by a monowhip or a rocket. Sams have the skills. Sams have the ware. Sams have pure coolness. Plenty of people have done the math typey breakdowns, but I feel that above all, adepts and sams are differentiated by their flavor.
Of course I play a mage who most people think is a sam. |
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