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 Jun 20 2006, 05:27 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Arlington, TX Member No.: 7,909  |
Oh yes, I am lashing out. Do you feel the sarcasm dripping? I've yet to call James a single name, despite his stating I was a fool and a stupid cow. I did lash out in response to DV84good. I can admit that. |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Likening someone to someone who may need a trained monkey to read to him is rude. The posts prior to that were not rude. Therefor you started the rudeness, despite your claims to the contrary. It isn't a case of me taking it as such, it's a case of what is true.
For instance, if I ask you "what is the log to the base 3 of 4,126,218" and you respond by saying "the log to a base is equal to the power necessary to transform the base into the operand" and I say "I know that, but what is the log to the base 3 of 4,126,218" I am not being rude. I never said you were an ass. I never said you were noone's real friend. I never said I had a harder life than you. Persecution complex perhaps? Yep, I've said things that people didn't want to hear. But starting the rudeness is poor form. |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I never stated you were a fool or a stupid cow. I mentioned behavior that some immature children have, and I said that I like poking cows. Or is it that you feel that "oblique angle insults" really are insults and all your previous talk of not insulting dv8 was BS? |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Arlington, TX Member No.: 7,909 |
Logic error.
It was implied by previous posts. For example:
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Jun 20 2006, 05:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Arlington, TX Member No.: 7,909 |
I never stated I did not insult him. Merely that the take on the insult was wrong. |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
Can we get back on TOPIC, please?
I've always found Chemistry to be a useful and vastly underrated Knowledge skill. |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:41 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
James, I'm not saying anything about this argument in particular or any other. And I'm not going to presume to guess what you think about me, yourself, or anyone else (well, I'm pretty sure I know what you think about a few people, but I'm not here to name names)
But don't you feel like a disproportionately high amount of your posts are flamewars and fruitless arguments? Whatever your answer, I have no intent to argue it, I guess it's just a perception that I have. Maybe I notice your flamewars more than other people's, or maybe I incorrectly interpret your posts, but I'm just letting you know; it's something I've noticed. On topic: Knowledge skills. A lot of the knowledge skills I see are variants of the ones suggested in the main book. Police procedures, criminal organizations, etc. Beyond that, I generally allow anything not shadowrun related to be a knowledge skills, regardless of how knowledge vs. active it is. For example, I would probably let someone take dancing as a knowledge skill if they wanted their character to dance. I'd rather they spend knowledge skills to develop their character than decide it's not worth lowering their pistols skill. So I use a very broad definition of knowledge skills. |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:54 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,750 |
Dude... this is my first day on the forum so I don't have any prior axes to grind. Gawddamn you're acting total, complete ass. Chill out. I'm pretty surprised a mod hasn't stepped in yet to wack you with a Really Big Stick. Go for a walk. Get laid or something. |
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Jun 20 2006, 05:58 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
How so?
Yes, it was intentionally implied but not stated. Much like your post intentionally implied that dv8 is like a monkey, or needs a monkey to function, but did not state it outright. Don't light the fire if you don't like to get burned. :)
Fruitless? Yes. Pointless? No. It is never pointless to point out someone's unacceptable behavior, poor logic, flawed information, etc. It is usually fruitless, because most people are intentionally rude, illogical, and/or uninformed and they like it that way. Life is much freer when you get to ignore the facts. :) I don't intend to start flamewars. I only point out flaws in peoples' behavior, logic, the fact that opinions don't equal facts, etc. That most people can't take having their inadequacies demonstrated to them is what causes a large number of my flamewars. That and there are a few people I like to gig at every opportunity because they've demonstrated that they IMO deserve it. For the most part I like to think that living with themselves is the worst sort of punishment for that sort of behavior, but I also enjoy poking cows with sticks (figuratively speaking of course, the only thing a real cow is useful for is dinner). |
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Jun 20 2006, 06:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Arlington, TX Member No.: 7,909 |
Logic error due to the fact that you stated his comment of "Thanks for the CONTRIBUTION" was a response to someone who was being rude, but then you admit that I was not rude during my first two posts. My third post, when you stated I became rude, was after his post. Therefore, it is a logic error on your part.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled post. |
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Jun 20 2006, 06:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Ah, you misread me. I meant that his posts prior to that were not rude, not that your posts prior to that were not rude. His "CONTRIBUTION" post was perhaps borderline rude (I don't think so, but some might), but it was in response to your multiple posts which refused to answer the question, and hence were not a meangingful contribution.
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Jun 20 2006, 06:23 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,213 |
Shadowmeet. James is right I thought you were being a smartass. If you can say there was no ill-intent behind your post I certainly apologize.
Iwas not calling you a caribou, that was a reference to a pixies song. I was not thinking you would take it as being rude. |
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Jun 20 2006, 06:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 142 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Arlington, TX Member No.: 7,909 |
I did feel you were being rude to me. If you say that it was not your intention, then I must appologize for my actions. As I have stated before, I do have an anger issue. That is not an excuse, merely an explanation.
I tend to react towards people who I feel attack me. And, is oft the case in life, perception defines ones reality. I perceived, so you did. However, you have explained yourself, so I do tender my sincere appologies. My first two posts had no ill-will in them. My third was vicious, rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, as I have stated earlier. So, if you will accept my appologies, I will accept yours, and we can wait until the next flame war, which will hopefully be a long while away. I, however, do not tender any apologies to people who threw themselves into our argument. They can go to hell. Okay, heck. Okay, a little cubicle down the hall from a slightly gray version of heaven. |
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Jun 20 2006, 06:35 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Luckily when I "threw myself in" I was right, which you have now apologized for. :D
If a little cubicle is hell then I went through 5 years of college to put myself smack dab in the middle of Hades. :( |
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Jun 21 2006, 03:44 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
For me knowledge skills are usually split 1/2 and 1/2 between professional skills and hobbies. For example a smuggler character would take something like smuggler routes 3, sioux patrolling techniques 2, for the more professional things, and then go with AR video games 4, and trid stars 2 for more hobby like skills. My favorites are usually based around hobbies I have or want to pick up. For example I both cook and bake, so taking cooking and baking as skills work for me. I want to learn how to brew and distill though I suspect the distilling can never be learned outside of a shack in the middle of no where. So it likely wont ever be happening unless I somehow end up in the profession, which seems unlikely. But taking brewing or beer making depending on how specific you want the skill and distilling could be fun. To cheese it a bit depending on the Gm you could maybe take chemistry(distilling) making distilling your specialization. I happen to love chocolate, so a chocolate knowledge skill I could see taking. My friend likes to roast his own coffee beans so coffee(roasting) is another I could see taking. Note with something like chocolate and coffee you could take two completely separate skills or maybe make it more like a specialization again depending on the GM. You can have the aprecitation skill and the skill to make the product. I'll try to come up with more skills I've taken for myself or for NPCs. |
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Jun 21 2006, 07:57 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Here is a list someone made for third edtion I do belive I use it when ever I get stuck for ideas for skills.
Knowledge Skills Street Knowledge skills Arms Dealers BTL Production Criminal Organizations Current Affairs Fences Fringe Cults Gang Identification Gang Turf Local Neighbourhood Lone Star Tactics Mafia Politics Mafia Controlled Establishments NAN Border Patrol Tactics Police Procedures Prison Operations Prostitution Rackets Safehouse Locations Scrounging Seattle Junkyards Seattle Ork Underground Security Companies company Security Procedures *Government *Military *Company Shadowrunner Haunts Smuggler Havens Smuggling Routes SWAT Team Tactics Triad Society Underworld Politics Yakuza Politics Yakuza Territory Academic Knowledge skills Accounting *Embezzling *Fraud Control *Cost-Cutting Anthropology Archaeology Architecture *Office *Mall *Residential *Ork *Human *Dwarven *Specified Art Biology Body Armor Fabrication Botany Chemistry Specialty Civil Engineering *Tunnelling *Commercial Construction *Home Construction *Industrial Construction *Excavation Cybertechnology Economics Electronic Intelligence *Audio *Image/Video | *Matrix Surveillance *Tracking Engineering Forensic Medicine Forensics *Forensic Medicine *Ballistics *Scene of Crime *Forensic Magic Geology Gunsmithing History *American *European *Japanese *Religious *Roman *Specified Journalism Judicial Procedures Law *Corporate Law *Criminal Law *Environmental Law *Jurisdiction *Historical Period Linguistics *Algonkian *Armenian *Athabascan *Baltic *Basque *Canddoan *Celtic *Chukchi *Creole *Dravidian *Egyptian *Eskimo *Esperanto *Finnish *Germanic *Greek *Hamitic *Indic *Indo-Iranian *Iroquoian *Italic *Interlingua *Japanese *Korean *Khoisan *Malayo-Polynesian *Mayan *Mon-Khmer *Mongolian *Muskogean *Niger-Kordofanian *Nilotic *Oto-Manguan *Papuan Family *Romance *Salish *Semitic *Sino-Tibetan *Siouan *Sioux *Slavic *South American Indian *Sperethiel *Tlinglit *Tsimshian *Tungus *Turkic *Ugrian *Uto-Aztecan *Zuni *Specified Literature Mechanical Traps Medicine *Traumatology *Pathology *Toxicology *Specialty Metallurgy Military Theory Music Mythos: Folklore *Period/region/culture Parabotany Parazoology Pharmacology *Medicinal Drugs *Illegal Narcotics *Improvised Manufacture Philosophy Physics *Specialty Politics Political Science *Specified Psychology *Applied Psychology *Clinical Psychology *Group Psychology Security Devices *Detection Measures *Weapons Emplacements Spell Design Security Design *Closed Circuit Simsense *Matrix *Magical *Physical *Corporate *Military *Private Home Security Systems *Sensor Nets *Two-stage Defenses *Passive Systems *Active Systems *Weapons Systems *Vehicle Security Stockbroking *Stock Type *Market Structural Engineering *Specified *Vehicle Security *Zoology Sixth World Knowledge skills Artificial Intelligence Atlantis Research Chat Rooms Corporate Finance Corporate Hosts Corporate Politics Corporate Procedures Corporate Security Cybertechnology Cyberterminal Design Data Brokerage Databases Data Havens Deckmeisters Dowsing Compass Pendulum L-rod Y-rod Bobber Dragons Entertainment Politics Elven Society Iconography Insect Spirits Humanis Policlub Jackpoint Locations Legendary Deckers Magic Matrix Gangs Matrix Security Procedures Matrix Topography Megacorporate Operations Megacorporate Policies Megacorporate Politics Megacorporate Research Megacorporate Security Metahuman Politics Metahumanity Miltech Manufacturers Otaku Parabotany Paranormal Animals Satellite Networks Seattle LTG Tribal Politics Virtual Meeting Spots Survival Knowledge skills Navigation *Land *Sea *Flight Interests Knowledge skills 20th Century Comic books Astrology *Chinese *Mayan *Native American *Vedic *Western Bushido Philosophy Champagne Classical Music Combat Biking Conspiracy Theories *Corporate *Government *Policlub *Magical *Region *Group Cooking Cuisine Desert Wars Elven Wines Fashion Flatvid Movies Folklore and Mythology *Historical Period *Region Gambling Card Games Investing Japanese Culture Japanese Society Legendary Martial Artists Meditation Occult Knowledge Opera Pirate Trid Broadcasters Poetry Popular Culture Pornography Roleplaying Games of 20th Century Sci-fi Simchips Seattle High Society Sim Starlets Tir Tairngire Politics Tourist Trivia Troll Thrash Metal Bands Urban Brawl Weightlifting Woodworking Area Knowledge skills Auburn Bellevue Council Island Downtown Seattle Everett Ft. Lewis Greater Seattle Puyallup Redmond Renton Salish-Shidhe Seattle Matrix Seattle Sewers Snohomish Tacoma Tir Tairngire Language skills English *Cityspeak *Deckerese *Netspeak *Trog Military Jargon Scientific Jargon Arabic Chinese Danish Filipino Finish French German Hebrew Italian Japanese Korean Latin Norwegian Pig Latin Polish Portuguese Russian Salish Sign Language Sioux Spanish Sperethiel Swedish Espionage Background Surveillance Techniques * Physical * Electronic * Matrix * Magic * Vehicle |
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Jun 21 2006, 08:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 16-December 05 From: new jack city Member No.: 8,077 |
i have a few that i have been putting in the char gen i have, ill try to post them later.. and take a few on here. :)
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Jun 21 2006, 08:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,213 |
Thanks, that quite a list! :shock:
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Jun 22 2006, 06:54 AM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
theres more to that list it was posted here on DS some time ago for 3rd edtion i do belive i just reposted the knowledge stuff minus the decker knowledge as otaku skills didn't seem to fit with 4th.
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