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stevebugge View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 06:55 PM Post #26
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996	You know if you want to boobytrap the window, something like a M-80 (the firecracker) stuffed inside a Beer Bottle is probably closer to the scale you want then a claymore. Now you just need to figure out a trigger for it.

ShadowDragon8685 View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 08:01 PM Post #27
Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445	Hell no. If I'm a Shadowrunner, I'm a career criminal. I want the son of a bitch dead. Not just injured, not just hurting, dead dead. The kind of dead that's not a touch from the mage away from being alive. The kind of dead that not even a Great Dragon within arm's reach can bring you back from. As for the guys above or below? I'll install impact armor under the mine and over it's projected blast area. And yeah, it won't be FUN to be in the blast radius, sure... But it beats the holy hell out of having someone who just busted into your window shoowing you up with ex-ex or gel or stick'n'shock or whatever. Any maybe the guys behind him will think for a few combat rounds before they follow his footsteps - time for me to scoot.

Dragonscript View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 08:04 PM Post #28
Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,812	A couple side notes: 1: Tear gas is not a contact poison. I know for a fact you have to breath it in. (When i was in the USMC i was on the company NBC team for 2 years and did the gas chamber every year i was in.) 2: If i remember correctly, about 1/3 of the claymore front blast ranch also went backwards in the form of a back blast. You won't have the ball bearings coming at you like the front side does but you will have a couple pounds of C-4 blasting at you though. What kind of apartment is this? If it is a high rise then you can rule that the windows are in fact made of safety glass instead of regular glass. (While i'm no expert on high rise apartment buildings this would make sense to me.) If the windows were made of safety glass then it would take a little bit of time to get through. Have the guys launch the gas grenades into the apartment through the windows and have them spend a round or two jumping on the windows to get through them. This should give the PC enough time to grab his gun and high tail it out before they come through.

HappyDaze View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 09:05 PM Post #29
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,838 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,669	Sucks when realistic repercussions invade your techno-fantasy RPG, doesn't it? Much like anything in Shadowrun, if the cops/corps/government really wants you dead and they have the time to prepare then you're going to die in a 'realistic' game. Shadowrunners only live by keeping themselves below this level of attention. Players that know and expect such things in a 'realistic' game will play accordingly but Gamemasters that don't enforce this evenly will end up with really upset players the first time they do have the big boys show just how big they really are. Make sure the tone of the game is clear between players and GMs from the start and stick to it. BTW, the first in on the entry should likely be drones to map everything out for the HUDs provided by the entry teams' commlinks. These would also soak up most of the improvised explosives that some people think are a good idea without exposing any flesh to danger. If runners can use them, then the big boys can certainly do the same.

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Jun 26 2006, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE (Abbandon @ Jun 25 2006, 08:29 PM)

As far as hacking a commlink and making somebody go cold VR that is only possable if the character in questions has a sim module in their commlink which only a hacker would.

ummmm... no. see, that's where you're wrong.

the vast majority of people are likely to have sim modules. sure, smartlinks don't need simsense anymore, but lets take a look at what still does:

VR matrix users (which is still more efficient than AR, and i don't think the average person worries too much about black IC)
BTLs
normal sim entertainment (which we know is very common, about equivalent to DVDs today i would say).
certain AR features (for example, the BBB indicates that there are AR "commercials" with emotive tracks... ie simsense)

Seriously, AR gloves are more expensive than a sim module and trodes combined. Granted, for the VR switch trick to work, the subject is going to have to be VR-ready: wearing trodes, nanopaste, be jacked in, or have his 'ware implanted. Black IC is overkill, unless you're alone; the subject might fall and hit his head on something when the VR kicks in!

stevebugge View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 09:10 PM Post #31
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996	Good call on the drones, absolutely no reason that something like the Fly Spy wouldn't be the first thing in the window/door/hole in the wall etc. Here's an amusing thought: How well to small flying drones handle bead curtains?

ShadowDragon8685 View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 09:52 PM Post #32
Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445	Probably about as well as airplanes handle invisible radio masts.

Dragonscript View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 09:54 PM Post #33
Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,812	depends on model and firmware ;)

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Jun 26 2006, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE (Dragonscript)

1: Tear gas is not a contact poison. I know for a fact you have to breath it in. (When i was in the USMC i was on the company NBC team for 2 years and did the gas chamber every year i was in.)

Reality aside, 'Tear Gas / CS' is statted in the SR4 BBB as a toxin with the vectors of 'Inhalation, Contact'.

If that violates your experience and makes you twitch, just change the name :)

Of course, the CS stats have some other problems...namely, the stats listed don't match the stats used in the example on the previous page.

Shrike30 View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 10:17 PM Post #35
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98	My read on the situation would be that the "contact" vector means "in your eyes/mouth/whatever." I'd rule that you would be protected from the effects if you were wearing a gas mask.

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Jun 26 2006, 10:30 PM

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My read on the situation would be that the "contact" vector means "in your eyes/mouth/whatever." I'd rule that you would be protected from the effects if you were wearing a gas mask.

The example seems to imply that - the runner puts on a mask, but the example makes the point that it won't help him against the exposure he's ALREADY had. That suggests it WILL protect him against future exposure. Of course, the example has some problems. Not only does it use different stats for the gas, like I already mentioned, but it also gives the runner bonus defense dice for Chemical Protection and Toxin Extractors without mentioning their origin. The last one's pretty obvious, at least, but in an example you really ought to be explicit about that stuff :)

Abbandon View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 10:57 PM Post #37
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,711 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,716	I guess in a way i did say shadowrunners have no lives outside running but thats not what i meant. I just dont see how you can think that more than half of all shadworunners would feel the need to go full VR. You can still do alot of crap in the matrix with just normal AR, watch and listen to sims without putting yourself at risk. I think your 6th world is to wired up and you dont think mine is wired up enough.

Shrike30 View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 11:07 PM Post #38
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98	It's only in this edition of SR that I have begun to feel like the world is even approaching wired up enough... :cyber:

Samaels Ghost View Member Profile	Jun 26 2006, 11:27 PM Post #39
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717	AR is rather new and most runner's were living normal (or abnormal) lives before the crash. Most runner unless they are real technophobes will have used and continue to use VR to experience the Matrix. What's the point otherwise? AR might be great for walking around but not web surfing. I go so far as to say that unless you're an idiot, a Luddite or REALLY paranoid you have a sim module. There's just too much simsense content out there not to use one.

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Jun 27 2006, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE (Dragonscript @ Jun 26 2006, 03:04 PM)

1: Tear gas is not a contact poison. I know for a fact you have to breath it in. (When i was in the USMC i was on the company NBC team for 2 years and did the gas chamber every year i was in.)

Reality aside, 'Tear Gas / CS' is statted in the SR4 BBB as a toxin with the vectors of 'Inhalation, Contact'.

If that violates your experience and makes you twitch, just change the name :)

Of course, the CS stats have some other problems...namely, the stats listed don't match the stats used in the example on the previous page.

I can understand that since i'm of the opinion that reality has little place in games. Games are suppose to be fun and reality just sucks most of the time.

Tear geas makes your eyes tear up and have coughing fits, so i guess it can be also a contact gas as long as it gets in your natural eyes. When i think of contact gas i think of blister and nerve agents which are some scary shit.

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