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post Jul 2 2006, 04:41 PM
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In the Street Samurai Catalog, on page 79 Findler-Man is discussing the Internal Voice Mask piece of cyberware by saying:

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>>>>>[Wow!  Now I can sound like Governor Shultz!  Or...or...Max Foley!  Or...or...Neil the Ork Barbarian!  Or...or...Holly Brighton!  Or...or...Maria Mercurial!  Or...or...Dunkelzahn The Dragon!  (And get my own resort...and my own trideo show...and...and...)]<<<<<


This is followed up by someone with the screenname of Dunkelzahn saying:
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>>>>>[Excuse me?]<<<<<


And then FastJack saying:
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>>>>>[????]<<<<<


So is this really Dunkelzahn replying or some poser? Granted this is in the early day of the game, but there is no "The Big D" and there is a timestamp with the name.
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post Jul 2 2006, 04:46 PM
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early shadowrun: check
Dragon replying to Findler-man: Check
Findler-Man is a Prime runner: Check
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post Jul 2 2006, 05:22 PM
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I am not sure when the "The Big D" handle statered. But yeah Dunky did reply to posts, more accurately his translater did. Dragons can't jack into the matrix, in fact I think he leaves a thing in his will for a corp to find a way for dragons and other animals to be gien maxtix access.

Also in early SR books everyone had a time stamp except Smiling Bandit which usually was <Strikes again!/HA-HA-HA> Then later posters started monkeying with timestamps, like Fastjack, then eventually timestamps were dropped all together.

EDIT: I think AH may have a list of other "Famous" Posters as well. Like Orange Queen, Laughing Man, The Scribe, Wordsmyth and so on. I forget who most of them are, except the easy ones, like Orange Queen - Hestaby and the Scribe being Ehrin the Scribe, oh and The Laughing Man being Harlequinn.
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post Jul 2 2006, 05:44 PM
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I figured it was THE Dunkelzahn, but given how he later used The Big D as his screenname, it could have just been a poser.

It would make an interesting short story though. Some punk decker kid gets into Shadowland and posts as a dragon while getting yelled at by his mom for not taking the trash out again. He's having a grand ol' time decking, pretending he's a dragon while looking at porn on this site, playing Halo97 on that site, doing his homework and DINGDONG! the door bell rings and Dunkelzahn is there and either serves him with a restraining order barring him from using anything associated with Dunkelzahn or justs eats him right then and there.
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post Jul 2 2006, 05:56 PM
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That would be funny, and its your game. Im just going along with other sources that pointed to him as being the real deal. Its been so long since I looked at any of the first edition books or talked about them, I dont remember where it really shows who it is. Also I dont know of any cases of a shadowposter having his ID faked by another person in the books. While possible I suppose, I think the writers of the books just used the characters as flavor, not much more.

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post Jul 2 2006, 06:04 PM
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Dunkie couldn't use a DNI back then but he was perfectly able to use a keyboard and a mouse. Most dragons can. It was probably him posting directly; there is no need for a translator.

The original post was incorrect because you can't possibly sound like Dunkie. Big D doesn't sound like anything. He speaks using magical telepathy, like all dragons. You can't exactly use a voice mask to sound like magical telepathy.

Incidently, Dunkie is able to use a DNI now so if he starts posting again there shouldn't be much surprise.
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post Jul 2 2006, 06:23 PM
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Wasnt there something about getting into Shadowland that you had to hack your own account to be part of it? Its not like you emailed Capt'n Chaos and asked for an account. In first edition there wasnt rules for a tortoise to have the progs to hack a host. And I maybe mistaken, but I seem to remember there being mention of his translator doing his online chatting for him.
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post Jul 2 2006, 06:37 PM
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I thought most if not all dragons can take human form. And although in places it seems like the general public aren't generally aware of that fact, how do we explain the Big D being driven in a limo when he 'died'?
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post Jul 2 2006, 06:44 PM
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That's what I thought when I first started playing SR and didn't know they could take human form. I was very confused at how a dragon could be killed by something as insignificant as a bomb in a limo, unless it was a very BIG limo.
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post Jul 2 2006, 07:11 PM
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They can take human form. But what does that have to do with anything?

I dont think a dragon is going to lose magic so he can surf the matrix faster. And trode nets for surfing the matrix didnt come to the game till second edition, well after that post. Bid D often shoed up in human form to go on talkshows and such. But when he wanted to make an impression he showed up in his scaley form, requiring a translater. Where do you think Daviar came from?

EDIT: And the bomb in the limo was (I think) explained that it wasnt a bomb at all. It was Bid D sacrificing himself to stop the Horrors. So it wasnt joe mad bomber that took out the Great Wyrm, but himself.
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post Jul 2 2006, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux @ Jul 2 2006, 02:11 PM)
They can take human form. But what does that have to do with anything?

It means that Big D could speak (when in human form). So I would disagree with hyzmarca that
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The original post was incorrect because you can't possibly sound like Dunkie. Big D doesn't sound like anything. He speaks using magical telepathy, like all dragons.

That's all.
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QUOTE (Witness)
QUOTE (Frag-o Delux @ Jul 2 2006, 02:11 PM)
They can take human form. But what does that have to do with anything?

It means that Big D could speak (when in human form). So I would disagree with hyzmarca that
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The original post was incorrect because you can't possibly sound like Dunkie. Big D doesn't sound like anything. He speaks using magical telepathy, like all dragons.

That's all.

OH, I was still thinking about the matrix question.
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post Jul 2 2006, 09:15 PM
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hmm, i had the impression that those translaters showed up in late SR2 or with SR3, but then i never read any of the novels.

ie, the SR2 history chapter never talks much about a translator when they talk about big D having its 24 hour interview, but i do belive said info showed up in SR3, making read it two times because i had never encounterd that bit before...
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post Jul 2 2006, 09:32 PM
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I dont think they talked much about the habits of dragons at all till around the time of the adventure Super Tuesday. Other then the power hungry treasure hoarding stereotype we all know and love. I do believe though there is a list of Big D's translaters somewhere, or a shadowposter names them and when they were around. This maybe something AH already stashed away. It also depends on the dragon too I suppose. Lofwyr I dont think does much "human" mascarading, but Bid D did, so does Masaru and that other little dragon that likes to go clubbing.
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post Jul 2 2006, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux)
I dont think a dragon is going to lose magic so he can surf the matrix faster.

That is provably untrue. Even in human form a dragon wouldn't be able to use a human datajack. The brain chemestry is too different. However, there does exist a single dragon datajack in SR canon and it is implanted in a dragon. Its owner is quite happy with the utility it provides.
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There is always an exception to every rule.
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QUOTE (hyzmarca)
QUOTE (Frag-o Delux @ Jul 2 2006, 02:11 PM)
I dont think a dragon is going to lose magic so he can surf the matrix faster.

That is provably untrue. Even in human form a dragon wouldn't be able to use a human datajack. The brain chemestry is too different. However, there does exist a single dragon datajack in SR canon and it is implanted in a dragon. Its owner is quite happy with the utility it provides.

Eliohan from Dragon Hunt? If so, I would disagree with his level of happiness as the first time he entered the actual matrix it drove him mad and caused amnesia. By he end of the adventure, he is working with Ares, but they are no closer to solving the problems.
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post Jul 2 2006, 10:20 PM
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He did kinda die in System Failure. Apparently. So that does sort of solve one problem.
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post Jul 2 2006, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux)
I dont think they talked much about the habits of dragons at all till around the time of the adventure Super Tuesday. Other then the power hungry treasure hoarding stereotype we all know and love. I do believe though there is a list of Big D's translaters somewhere, or a shadowposter names them and when they were around. This maybe something AH already stashed away. It also depends on the dragon too I suppose. Lofwyr I dont think does much "human" mascarading, but Bid D did, so does Masaru and that other little dragon that likes to go clubbing.

ah, super tuesday. that was part of the SR2 set, right? explains a bit ;)

and i belive i have seen the AH list of translators...
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post Jul 2 2006, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (Frag-o Delux)
Wasnt there something about getting into Shadowland that you had to hack your own account to be part of it? Its not like you emailed Capt'n Chaos and asked for an account. In first edition there wasnt rules for a tortoise to have the progs to hack a host. And I maybe mistaken, but I seem to remember there being mention of his translator doing his online chatting for him.

Some underling could have hacked in, probably someone who scanned the matrix for mentioning Dunkelzahn. The message itself could be authentic. Or not ;).

The Street Samurai Catalogue was my first book with shadowtalk, and I love Shadowtalk for stuff like this.
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post Jul 2 2006, 10:58 PM
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Yeah Super Tuesday was SR2, I dont remember the exact dates, and between me and my brother our SR collection is in two different houses. He has the advenures, seeing that hes the GM so I cant tell you the publish date. And so far I cant find it on any online stores or ebay to find the publish dates, but Im 99% sure its a SR2 product.
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QUOTE (Butterblume)
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Wasnt there something about getting into Shadowland that you had to hack your own account to be part of it? Its not like you emailed Capt'n Chaos and asked for an account. In first edition there wasnt rules for a tortoise to have the progs to hack a host. And I maybe mistaken, but I seem to remember there being mention of his translator doing his online chatting for him.

Some underling could have hacked in, probably someone who scanned the matrix for mentioning Dunkelzahn. The message itself could be authentic. Or not ;).

The Street Samurai Catalogue was my first book with shadowtalk, and I love Shadowtalk for stuff like this.

Well after finding out all the stuff about dunkie and his wide spread spy network now, 10+ years after the first post by him, yeah its possible someone hacked the host fo rhim and then let him do all the posting from then out.
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However, there does exist a single dragon datajack in SR canon and it is implanted in a dragon. Its owner is quite happy with the utility it provides.

What about Celedyr? From what I recall he's big on the Matrix with Transys in his pocket and all, and I thought he spent most of his time online. I guess I can't say for certain that he's jacked, but I sure thought so...
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post Jul 3 2006, 01:36 PM
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Some dragons, notably Dunkelzahn, possessed a trusted metahuman decker in order to access the Matrix. Dunkie also experimented with a draconic 'trode net, as I recall.
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QUOTE (hobgoblin)
hmm, i had the impression that those translaters showed up in late SR2 or with SR3, but then i never read any of the novels.

ie, the SR2 history chapter never talks much about a translator when they talk about big D having its 24 hour interview, but i do belive said info showed up in SR3, making read it two times because i had never encounterd that bit before...

The translators have been around since 1st edition.

Dunklezahn, the Mass Media Dragon

Also note Lofwyr's use of translators in Never Deal with a Dragon and Never Trust an Elf (IIRC that is, hopefully I got the titles right too :indifferent: ).
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