Is cyberware important to hackers? |
Is cyberware important to hackers? |
Jul 12 2006, 07:27 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 12-July 06 Member No.: 8,869 |
So, I'm new to Shadowrun and I'm wanting to make a hacker character, but I didn't take any cyberware. My GM, who has been playing Shadowrun since 1st, tells me that in order to be a competitive hacker character, I should have a lot more cyberware, such as a datajack and an implanted commlink. However, in the book, I can't find any major benefits from these things in the rules. Am I missing something or did this change in 4th edition? If I am missing something, could you post a page in the book that lists of the importance of DNI to a hacker character?
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Jul 12 2006, 07:51 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
You don't need cyberware to be a hacker in SR4. There are no inheritant bonuses doing something with an implant instead of externally. It's a convienence, not a requirement in SR4. With the new freedoms hackers enjoy it allows anyone with the desire to hack.
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Jul 12 2006, 08:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-April 05 From: France Member No.: 7,343 |
Yes you need cyberware to be on the top ...
have any reflexe augmentation, to have more IP in AR. |
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Jul 12 2006, 08:26 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Magic would work too, PhysAd or a Mage and they dont need cyberware. AR is good, but if things get rough, full hot-VR is where it's at. |
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Jul 12 2006, 08:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
I agee with Grinder. Hackers don't need 'ware. However, unlike magic users or technomancers, you don't gain anything by not having it. There has been some debate about the brokeness of being allowed to use AR as fast as VR through meat body initiative augmentation, so I don't think that's a particularly valid reason.... it depends on the GM.
You might be better served amping your hacking gear to the top levels in SR4 as a datajack can be replaced with trodes for a DNI, and an implanted comlink only means that it can't be taken away from you. If you plan on doing any rigging then a control rig implant might not be a bad idea. It's cheap in terms of essence and gives you +2 dice that you won't have otherwise. On the flip-side, you could buy a bunch of 'ware and develop some kind of Sam/Hacker hybrid. Still boost your hacking skills and gear, but also get a good combat skill and invest in the 'ware to use it (initiative, body and strength or agility augmentation). That is somewhat twinked out but it will expand your character's usefulness. I would be inclined to tell your GM either that you intend to invest in 'ware later, just to get him off your back, or tell him not to tell you how to run your character. |
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Jul 12 2006, 09:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
Personally, I say meatworld speed augmentation helps out in full VR, simply because you have trained yourself to have faster reaction speeds. |
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Jul 12 2006, 05:57 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
But an amp'd up nervous system (Cyberware) isn't the same a training yourself (Attributes) to react better. I don't see how Cyberware will help VR unless it somehow boosts/assists your mental processing abilities. |
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Jul 12 2006, 06:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 20-December 05 Member No.: 8,088 |
Of course Cyberware is important to hackers . Cyberware is aweseome, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Jul 12 2006, 06:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
Save your Essence for Augmentations. Gimme gimme my Encephalon and Math Co-Processor!
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Jul 12 2006, 07:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
Ceribral boosters are handy (especially with the common logic + skill limited by program houserule). Rigging also syncronizes well with hacking, so you could get a control rig and some drones/vehicle. I always recommend wired 2 (maybe synaptic boosters 2) with mundanes, which will help your combat abilities and AR hacking. Other than that, there's nothing that really helps hacking. Your GM is in the old edition mindset by thinking you need a datajack or implanted commlink - the only reason to get them is the convenience of not being able to lose them. Until that comes up in a game, I wouldn't bother (unless it fits with your flavor concept). Every shadowrunner should have some combat ability to make them well rounded. If I were you, I'd get the above 3 pieces of ware, some platelet factories, and other combat stuff that fits with the flavor of your character such as muscle toners or bone lacing.
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Jul 12 2006, 08:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876 |
I'm new to the game, and had a similar question to the one Kakos posted. The answer's kind of dissappointing though, because the idea that anyone can "hack" takes away the "uniqueness" decker-characters seemed to have in earlier editions. One of the staples of the genre seems lacking now. Will the world of 2070 have anyone along the lines of FastJack or Dodger?
Don't get me wrong though. It just makes it more likely the team I'm part of will actually have a character who can hack, rather than farm the job out to an NPC (like we often had to do for a decker). That seems to be a good thing. |
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Jul 12 2006, 08:39 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Does the fact we can all get cyberware, shoot guns and drive a car fast make us all Samuari, Gun-bunnies and Riggers? Although hacking is easily available to the masses, it does take character focus (on hacking) and a player's desire to hack. |
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Jul 12 2006, 08:41 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Being a fully functional and dedicated hacker is still completely possible. Covering all the bases takes a lot of BP. You can be a good xxx and mediocre hacker, a good hacker and mediocre xxx, or an amazing hacker with a little extra abilities somewhere else. The differences between a dabbler and a full blown hacker will grow with new ware and Unwired.
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Jul 12 2006, 08:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
It takes a large investment in skills and software that most characters are unwilling to buy. Cracking 4 and Electronics 4 alone is 80 BP - almost 1/4 of your starting BP, and you're still not maxing your potential for a starting hacker's skills. |
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Jul 12 2006, 11:04 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 12-July 06 Member No.: 8,877 |
If you like the idea of hackers needing 'ware, you could give a +1 dice pool mod to those hacking via implant 'ware. And a solid penalty to those hacking without trodes or anything, as you just can't ue the buttons on a comlink fast enough!
I'm still making my way through that chapter of the book (finally broken down and changed from my SR2/3 hybrid home rules - gotta stay SOTA, dontcha know...), though, so I'm not sure how big a deal that modifier would be. Goblin |
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Jul 13 2006, 12:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 12-July 06 From: Redmond,UCAS Member No.: 8,876 |
I'm in the same leaky boat as you are, Nosey. Welcome aboard :D
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Jul 13 2006, 01:30 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
In the older versions of SR, a Decker (previous version of a hacker) was only as good as their cyberware. You would tech out everything (extra memory, skillwires, datajack, the works). Now all you need is trodes and a commlink and your good to go. This is so people can now play the ever rare hacker mage (something you couldn't really do in older versions of the game). The matrix is becoming accessible to everyone. |
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