IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V   1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> I have a few newish questions
m00p
post Jul 14 2006, 05:27 AM
Post #1


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 10
Joined: 14-July 06
Member No.: 8,889



I had played a little of previous Shadowrun editions, and I was preparing to start my first SR4 setting. I began to run into a few problems, some of them I have hammered out on my own, but others are still on my mind, if anyone would help me out, I would appriciate it.

There is no real size description for drones and some other veichles. While the approximate size of some cars is deduceable, I am having a difficult time coming up with relative sizes for Micro, small, medium, and large sized drones. Can anyone provide any examples? Is Body = size?

It seems like VR is really underpowered, when compared to AR. Does anyone else feel this way and have house rules to make VR any better, or AR any worse?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Domino
post Jul 14 2006, 05:29 AM
Post #2


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 498
Joined: 31-May 02
From: All the way in the Back to the Left.
Member No.: 2,800



Micro match book or smaller

Small remote control car

Medium maybe power wheel sized

Large compact car

IMNSHO and YMMV
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ShadowDragon
post Jul 14 2006, 05:51 AM
Post #3


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 393
Joined: 20-June 06
Member No.: 8,754



Wow, large is a compact car? I've played it as taking up 2 hexs on the grid, which are 1m each; so effectively twice as big as a character (like a DnD horse which is a "large" creature). Medium is the size of a character. Small and micro are what domino said. Domino are those sizes RAW, or a houserule? If Steel Lynxs are the size of a car, they're not very useful indoors...

Body /= size

I don't see VR as being underpowered. Two bonus dice to all matrix actions and 3 IPs sounds pretty good. VR is also faster for certain extended tests no matter what cyber you have. I have a houserule that if a character has 4 IPs in the meat, they have 4 IPs in VR (fluff wise, they're so used to moving that fast in the meat that it increases their mental reaction times as well). I also use skill + logic limited by program rating instead of skill + program rating, so logic is actually useful for hackers.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
booklord
post Jul 14 2006, 12:00 PM
Post #4


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 502
Joined: 14-May 03
From: Detroit, Michigan
Member No.: 4,583



QUOTE
It seems like VR is really underpowered, when compared to AR. Does anyone else feel this way and have house rules to make VR any better, or AR any worse?


Check out the "My Wireless Rulings" thread for the raging discussion.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
hobgoblin
post Jul 14 2006, 12:18 PM
Post #5


panda!
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 10,331
Joined: 8-March 02
From: north of central europe
Member No.: 2,242



and if you do a bit of searching you will find even more threads about AR vs VR...

mostly its split in two camps, one that is ok with it and one that not ok with it...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lilt
post Jul 14 2006, 12:35 PM
Post #6


Shooting Target
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1,965
Joined: 26-February 02
From: Edinburgh, Scotland
Member No.: 2,032



I don't think it can really be defined... Certainly it was possible under 3rd edition to take a mini-blimp (the same chassis as the medium renraku stormcloud) and give it enough internal space to install a seat. With only one size category between that and eyeball-sized minidrones, I think the size categories must be fairly wide.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Domino
post Jul 14 2006, 02:00 PM
Post #7


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 498
Joined: 31-May 02
From: All the way in the Back to the Left.
Member No.: 2,800



As most of SR and especially 4th alot is vaque. I just threw those sizes out there as aproximations and from some of the older pics in source books, the Steel Lynx is about the size of a compact car.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Shadowboxer
post Jul 14 2006, 04:17 PM
Post #8


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 32
Joined: 22-January 03
Member No.: 3,945



my guess is the steel lynx would be about the size of a Smart car.. maybe a bit more flat, but roughly those dimensions...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Witness
post Jul 14 2006, 04:21 PM
Post #9


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 681
Joined: 28-February 06
From: UK
Member No.: 8,319



Hmm. I'd assume that a Steel Lynx was about the size of.. well.. a lynx! Or a Lion at most.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Domino
post Jul 14 2006, 04:56 PM
Post #10


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 498
Joined: 31-May 02
From: All the way in the Back to the Left.
Member No.: 2,800



Would that make an F-16 Falcon the size of a falcon? ;)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Witness
post Jul 14 2006, 05:03 PM
Post #11


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 681
Joined: 28-February 06
From: UK
Member No.: 8,319



Smartass. :P
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Platinum
post Jul 14 2006, 05:27 PM
Post #12


Running Target
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,095
Joined: 26-February 02
From: Ontari-airee-o
Member No.: 1,115



play the steel lynx the size of a smart car. Those can still manuever down the hallways of hospitals or schools. They will easily move around any building that fits trolls. Will just fit into an elevator.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
stevebugge
post Jul 14 2006, 05:36 PM
Post #13


Neophyte Runner
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,026
Joined: 23-November 05
From: Seattle (Really!)
Member No.: 7,996



IIRC the flavor text on the Steel Lynx did say that it was designed as an outdoor perimeter patrol drone and firing platform, the fact that it is the size of a subcompact car and doesn't easily fit indoors isn't really a problem to a normal user. Besides legitimate users can always get those track mounted smart guns installed in their buildings.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
hobgoblin
post Jul 14 2006, 06:03 PM
Post #14


panda!
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 10,331
Joined: 8-March 02
From: north of central europe
Member No.: 2,242



and that just gives the rigger/hacker more toys to take command of ;)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
September
post Jul 14 2006, 06:18 PM
Post #15


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 70
Joined: 20-January 06
Member No.: 8,185



I've never figured this out; is the Steel Lynx actually vaguely lynx-shaped, a quadruped that needs Pilot Anthroform, or is it wheeled/tracked?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
X-Kalibur
post Jul 14 2006, 06:20 PM
Post #16


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,579
Joined: 30-May 06
From: SoCal
Member No.: 8,626



QUOTE (September @ Jul 14 2006, 01:18 PM)
I've never figured this out; is the Steel Lynx actually vaguely lynx-shaped, a quadruped that needs Pilot Anthroform, or is it wheeled/tracked?

Wheeled, there was a good picture of it in either Fields of Fire or the Cannon Companion or the Corporate Security Handbook from SR3.

And not lynx shaped at all.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
James McMurray
post Jul 14 2006, 06:21 PM
Post #17


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,430
Joined: 10-January 05
From: Fort Worth, Texas
Member No.: 6,957



I believe the descriptive text says tracked, but don't take my fuzzy memory's word on it.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
X-Kalibur
post Jul 14 2006, 06:21 PM
Post #18


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,579
Joined: 30-May 06
From: SoCal
Member No.: 8,626



QUOTE (James McMurray)
I believe the descriptive text says tracked, but don't take my fuzzy memory's word on it.

I think the picture was 4 wheels, but they could have been small tracks too.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
September
post Jul 14 2006, 06:22 PM
Post #19


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 70
Joined: 20-January 06
Member No.: 8,185



So it's a wheeled vehicle that just fits in a elevator...is it car-like or more buggy-robot like? I only have SR4, want to know what it looks like.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
X-Kalibur
post Jul 14 2006, 06:25 PM
Post #20


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,579
Joined: 30-May 06
From: SoCal
Member No.: 8,626



My google fu is strong.

Steel Lynx
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Thanee
post Jul 14 2006, 06:59 PM
Post #21


jacked in
**********

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,137
Joined: 26-February 02
Member No.: 463



Here are my guesses for the drone sizes:

Micro is as small as a coin.
Mini is the size of a table tennis ball.
Small is a typical toy remote control car.
Medium would be the size of a large dog.
Large is about the size of a golf cart.

Bye
Thanee
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Geekkake
post Jul 14 2006, 07:10 PM
Post #22


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 475
Joined: 13-March 06
From: dusty Mexican borderlands
Member No.: 8,372



QUOTE (Thanee)
Here are my guesses for the drone sizes:

Micro is as small as a coin.
Mini is the size of a table tennis ball.
Small is a typical toy remote control car.
Medium would be the size of a large dog.
Large is about the size of a golf cart.

Bye
Thanee

This is about how I treat them, as well. So... seconded.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
James McMurray
post Jul 14 2006, 07:15 PM
Post #23


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,430
Joined: 10-January 05
From: Fort Worth, Texas
Member No.: 6,957



IIRC the drone descriptions give general indications of their sizes (at least a few of them).
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
X-Kalibur
post Jul 14 2006, 07:31 PM
Post #24


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,579
Joined: 30-May 06
From: SoCal
Member No.: 8,626



Well, I'm pretty sure the Steel Lynx is one of, if not the largest ground drone and its not even as tall as a human. And given its design and apparent width, I would say it could easily get through most 2 person hallways.

Does anyone else think it looks like alot of the drones from the Armored Core series? Albeit much smaller.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Domino
post Jul 14 2006, 07:41 PM
Post #25


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 498
Joined: 31-May 02
From: All the way in the Back to the Left.
Member No.: 2,800



QUOTE (X-Kalibur)
My google fu is strong.

Steel Lynx

:notworthy:

Guess my alzheimers kicking in I recall it being larger in Fields of Fire. Hard to keep up with you young whipper snappers.

Back in my day we didn't have wireless Matrix and Bioware. And we had to run in snow 12 feet deep up hills Both Ways!!!!!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

2 Pages V   1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 20th June 2024 - 09:32 AM

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.