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 Jul 14 2006, 05:27 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 14-July 06 Member No.: 8,889  |
I had played a little of previous Shadowrun editions, and I was preparing to start my first SR4 setting. I began to run into a few problems, some of them I have hammered out on my own, but others are still on my mind, if anyone would help me out, I would appriciate it.
There is no real size description for drones and some other veichles. While the approximate size of some cars is deduceable, I am having a difficult time coming up with relative sizes for Micro, small, medium, and large sized drones. Can anyone provide any examples? Is Body = size? It seems like VR is really underpowered, when compared to AR. Does anyone else feel this way and have house rules to make VR any better, or AR any worse? |
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Jul 14 2006, 05:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
Micro match book or smaller
Small remote control car Medium maybe power wheel sized Large compact car IMNSHO and YMMV |
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Jul 14 2006, 05:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: 20-June 06 Member No.: 8,754 |
Wow, large is a compact car? I've played it as taking up 2 hexs on the grid, which are 1m each; so effectively twice as big as a character (like a DnD horse which is a "large" creature). Medium is the size of a character. Small and micro are what domino said. Domino are those sizes RAW, or a houserule? If Steel Lynxs are the size of a car, they're not very useful indoors...
Body /= size I don't see VR as being underpowered. Two bonus dice to all matrix actions and 3 IPs sounds pretty good. VR is also faster for certain extended tests no matter what cyber you have. I have a houserule that if a character has 4 IPs in the meat, they have 4 IPs in VR (fluff wise, they're so used to moving that fast in the meat that it increases their mental reaction times as well). I also use skill + logic limited by program rating instead of skill + program rating, so logic is actually useful for hackers. |
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Jul 14 2006, 12:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
Check out the "My Wireless Rulings" thread for the raging discussion. |
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Jul 14 2006, 12:18 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
and if you do a bit of searching you will find even more threads about AR vs VR...
mostly its split in two camps, one that is ok with it and one that not ok with it... |
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Jul 14 2006, 12:35 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
I don't think it can really be defined... Certainly it was possible under 3rd edition to take a mini-blimp (the same chassis as the medium renraku stormcloud) and give it enough internal space to install a seat. With only one size category between that and eyeball-sized minidrones, I think the size categories must be fairly wide.
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Jul 14 2006, 02:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
As most of SR and especially 4th alot is vaque. I just threw those sizes out there as aproximations and from some of the older pics in source books, the Steel Lynx is about the size of a compact car.
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Jul 14 2006, 04:17 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: 22-January 03 Member No.: 3,945 |
my guess is the steel lynx would be about the size of a Smart car.. maybe a bit more flat, but roughly those dimensions...
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Jul 14 2006, 04:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Hmm. I'd assume that a Steel Lynx was about the size of.. well.. a lynx! Or a Lion at most.
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Jul 14 2006, 04:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
Would that make an F-16 Falcon the size of a falcon? ;)
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Jul 14 2006, 05:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Smartass. :P
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Jul 14 2006, 05:27 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
play the steel lynx the size of a smart car. Those can still manuever down the hallways of hospitals or schools. They will easily move around any building that fits trolls. Will just fit into an elevator.
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Jul 14 2006, 05:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
IIRC the flavor text on the Steel Lynx did say that it was designed as an outdoor perimeter patrol drone and firing platform, the fact that it is the size of a subcompact car and doesn't easily fit indoors isn't really a problem to a normal user. Besides legitimate users can always get those track mounted smart guns installed in their buildings.
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Jul 14 2006, 06:03 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
and that just gives the rigger/hacker more toys to take command of ;)
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Jul 14 2006, 06:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 20-January 06 Member No.: 8,185 |
I've never figured this out; is the Steel Lynx actually vaguely lynx-shaped, a quadruped that needs Pilot Anthroform, or is it wheeled/tracked?
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Jul 14 2006, 06:20 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
Wheeled, there was a good picture of it in either Fields of Fire or the Cannon Companion or the Corporate Security Handbook from SR3. And not lynx shaped at all. |
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Jul 14 2006, 06:21 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I believe the descriptive text says tracked, but don't take my fuzzy memory's word on it.
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Jul 14 2006, 06:21 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
I think the picture was 4 wheels, but they could have been small tracks too. |
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Jul 14 2006, 06:22 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 20-January 06 Member No.: 8,185 |
So it's a wheeled vehicle that just fits in a elevator...is it car-like or more buggy-robot like? I only have SR4, want to know what it looks like.
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Jul 14 2006, 06:25 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
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 Jul 14 2006, 06:59 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,040 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
Here are my guesses for the drone sizes:
Micro is as small as a coin. Mini is the size of a table tennis ball. Small is a typical toy remote control car. Medium would be the size of a large dog. Large is about the size of a golf cart. Bye Thanee |
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Jul 14 2006, 07:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
This is about how I treat them, as well. So... seconded. |
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Jul 14 2006, 07:15 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
IIRC the drone descriptions give general indications of their sizes (at least a few of them).
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Jul 14 2006, 07:31 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
Well, I'm pretty sure the Steel Lynx is one of, if not the largest ground drone and its not even as tall as a human. And given its design and apparent width, I would say it could easily get through most 2 person hallways.
Does anyone else think it looks like alot of the drones from the Armored Core series? Albeit much smaller. |
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Jul 14 2006, 07:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
:notworthy: Guess my alzheimers kicking in I recall it being larger in Fields of Fire. Hard to keep up with you young whipper snappers. Back in my day we didn't have wireless Matrix and Bioware. And we had to run in snow 12 feet deep up hills Both Ways!!!!! |
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