 Tech level in 2070, Will RL tech be at SR levels then? |
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 Jul 20 2006, 03:22 PM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957  |
The first link gave me an XML document and the second a blank screen. :(
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Jul 20 2006, 03:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
they are RSS news feeds. XML outputs that link to related articles. Good for firefox or an xml feed reader.
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Jul 20 2006, 03:26 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No, but it does mean you're making some very unfounded claims.
No. Truth is, there are other sources which are at this instant producing better results. Ever hear of the concept of pursuing multiple lines of research, lines that have different advantages, simultaneously? ~J |
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Jul 20 2006, 03:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188 |
I don't really know. When it comes to cybernetics, I'm just a fanboi! |
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Jul 20 2006, 03:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188 |
Well, there's more than that. I'd concede that blood stem cell research is superior for curing blood-borne diseases; it's helping people right now and is unlikely to benefit from ESC research. Bone marrow rejuvenation is a great example But blood-cell research does very little to help people with neural problems. In fact, there are few good sources for neural stem cells, and so ESC is the bigger hope. |
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Jul 20 2006, 03:36 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
If you just search for stem cell results, you will find that almost all of the procedures that regrow nervous tissue, and organs are using adult stem cells. They are also harvested from the patient's own body. I am not going to do your research for you ... but the claims are far from unfounded.
I am aware that there are multiple paths of research and there are labs that are still persuing that line of investigation. |
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Jul 20 2006, 03:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
Not true, the stem cells harvested from marrow are adult stem cells that are capable of repairing neural damage. |
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Jul 20 2006, 03:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188 |
You're quite right; it was a bad example (and a really good reason to never blink while discussing this topic)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...l=pubmed_docsum Is from this month, and states that it certainly seems possible http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...l=pubmed_DocSum Is from Nov 2005, and states that it might be possible. However, keep in mind that the progress we've made on rat spines using ESC started occurring early last year. |
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Jul 20 2006, 05:20 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
You'll going to have to forgive me, but I find those comments incredibly funny coming from an admitted Biblical Literalist.
Maybe, maybe not, however when the chips are down, I think I'm going to have to trust the words of the Scientists themselves over you. (Stem Cell Research only interests me in its possibilities, so no, I'm not going to wade through dry thetists or blindly accept the proclamations of News Articles over the direct source, so-to-speak.) Oh, and for the record, call me an old fashioned Neo-Luddite, but if it ain't readable by Windows XP or IE then I guess I'm not going to be able to read it... *winks* |
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Jul 20 2006, 05:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
I am also well read and extremely interested in science.
Who's words are you trusting? Nothing that is published in scientific articles. I was trying to give you feeds that are continually updated with current aritcles so you can be knowledgable about what you discuss. |
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Jul 20 2006, 08:54 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
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Jul 21 2006, 12:48 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Personally, I think SR has rocketed ahead of RL's tech development in many areas - cybernetics, biotech, nanotech, genetech, power generation, and space travel. About the only place RL seems to be doing well in comparison is electronics, like cellphones. |
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Jul 21 2006, 03:45 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
No, I mean will RL 2070 tech be as good as SR4's 2070 tech?
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Jul 21 2006, 11:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188 |
It can be. I could be even better. Especially if people push for it. Simple proactive steps can make it more likely, and you'd think that getting the brighter member of society to help would be the way to go.
A person who can spin sci-fi worlds in his head can think of minor ways to speed humanity's tech rate progress. |
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Jul 21 2006, 11:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I was answering that question, but I can see where I was unclear. Clarification: Personally, I think SR has rocketed ahead of where RL tech will be in 2070 in many areas - cybernetics, biotech, nanotech, genetech, power generation, and space travel. About the only place RL 2070 tech would probably be doing well is electronics, like cellphones. |
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Jul 21 2006, 05:22 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
you know what's funny? several of the replies to Platinum's posts have been largely dogmatic, responding more to what he is than what he actually says, and condemning his point of view on that same basis. isn't that hilarious?
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Jul 21 2006, 06:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
"Hear the message, not the messenger" is a very wise rule to live by, but very rarely does that happen.
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Jul 21 2006, 08:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
In the interest of objectivity here is an article that counters my arguments.
Here's an article that has sources that rebut my claim stating adult stem cells are better. They say that not enough has been done with ESC to state that ASC are more effective and that most scientists are either more familiar with ASC research or are not wanting to get into the ethics of using ESC's. Who knows... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...ack=1&cset=true I found the above article linked from this one. http://mediamatters.org/items/200607200011 |
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Jul 21 2006, 08:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,784 |
Ultimately though, aren't we all rather dogmatic about most of our beliefs? How many people here could present a position paper proving the existence of Gravity, the Unity of Magnetism and Electric forces, or that Firefly was, infact, some of the finest TV ever?
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Jul 21 2006, 08:50 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
well, some things are self-evident. Firefly, for instance.
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Jul 21 2006, 10:02 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Damn straight.
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Jul 21 2006, 11:08 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I think we can all agree that we shouldn't be domonizing anyone but that it is important to persue all avenues of research because you never know what you may find.
I also think we can all agree that research ethics that do not contribute to ensuring the accuracy of the results are for sissies. |
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Jul 21 2006, 11:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
I can't say I agree with persuing all avenues .... but if you do look at things objectively if you can put aside morals, you can definitely go much further.
Look at the brain research done in ww2. More brain discoveries were mapped out then, than at any other point in history. I am not drawing a parallel but making a blunt statement. |
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Jul 22 2006, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188 |
Remember, too, that it's awfully synergistic. In the end, we'll likely be using adult stem cells and SCNT cells for all the actual therapies; merely because of the convenience. However, a lot of the foundational work will be done using ESC. There are now numerous animal models when it comes to spinal repair that were elucidated from ESC research. But (especially with ASC advances) we'll probably use the patient's own cells to repair the spine. Every bit of data pulled from ASC research helps ESC research (since it gives us more data about what we want the ESC to become) - but data pulled from ESC research is used to help ASC research too. We know what an ASC is trying to do after watching what an ESC tries to do in a similar situation. On-topic: does anyone have any predictions about whether our RL timeline for computers is doing okay vs. SR? |
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Jul 22 2006, 04:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 3-May 04 Member No.: 6,298 |
The SR picture of artificial intelligence is so unrelated to reality, it's hard to compare it to current research and its expected future. You might as well ask whether real life magic is going to have caught up to SR magic in 2070. Basically, as a computer scientist, my issues with SR 2070 computing are less about its level of advancement as compared to where we'll be, but its fundamental nature. However, I don't think where real life computers are going to be in 2070 is going to be nearly as fun as Shadowrun, so I wouldn't suggest house-ruling for realism. |
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