 Prehensile tail, Can it be done |
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  Jul 23 2006, 02:22 PM
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It's for winners  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067  |
I was introducing a mate to SR3 as I haven't had chance to get 4 yet, and he saw the stats for a cyber tail (for balancing) and asked if you could have a prehensile tail that you could use as another limb.
After looking through my various books I was unable to come up with any stats for this. He was quite specific about what he wanted it to do, to be used like a monkey would, but also have the ability to grip a weapon and use it. Can this be done and if so any ideas about the stats? Sorry if this has already been asked, if so point me to the thread. Thanks :spin: Torz x |
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Jul 23 2006, 02:27 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Is he at all aware that it is fairly impractical to attempt to wield a weapon with a tail? I mean, beyond putting spikes or a club or a stinger on the end?
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Jul 23 2006, 02:30 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
I did point this out but thought it would be worth seeing if it could be done!
Oh how's it going AH? long time no talk! ;) torz x |
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Jul 23 2006, 02:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
S'goin'alright.
If it's really bugging him, use the articulated arm cyberware implant and just attach it...further down. |
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Jul 23 2006, 03:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
what about sticking a small str 1 cyber hand on the end of the tail? |
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Jul 23 2006, 04:51 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
:rotfl: I don't see it as impossible and with a smart link, there's no reason it could fire (or contain) a weapon. I'd use a cyberarm for costs with a x3 or even x2 (because I'm a lovely GM who doesn't frown upon player insanity) cost modifier. Make sure it has sufficient strength to support the character. Two problems, though: One, the human spine isn't really set up for this. I would demand a cyber torso to support it. Two, unless the character had the tail implanted as a baby ("Hello? Is that the NSPCC?"), then he'd never have developed the motor skills to control it. You could generously allow them to develop such skills, or if it were me, I'd demand an AI Pilot for the tail - the Doc Oc. solution. :) In addition to making more sense, this also allows for some INSANE role-playing. |
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Jul 23 2006, 05:09 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Tail gooses nearby waiter.
"Sorry, man, thing's got a mind of it's own." |
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Jul 23 2006, 05:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Just like the non-motor-skills to control independent cybereyes, right? Not that it isn't a valid point, but it's a valid point that is solved in SR. How it's solved, who knows, but we have evidence that it's solved. ~J |
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Jul 23 2006, 05:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188 |
In real life, it would take time to 'teach' the brain how to use an additional limb (clearly, it would be less dextrous than your off-hand). Practically, though, it seems that the brain can rewire regions to incorporate additional limbs.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abst...t/296/5574/1829 |
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Jul 23 2006, 07:47 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Just have him SURGE. The prehensile tail is a SURGE option. You can even built a full catperson or Tskrang with SURGE.
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Jul 24 2006, 01:52 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
The balance tail has to have a certain mass. A prehensile tail capable of fine detail, like pulling a trigger could be done, I also though of the extra limb, but it wouldn't have the mass of the balance tail and probably couldn't hold a metahuman's wieght like a monkey's tail can.
Also anyone with that is pretty much off the 'shadow' list. I mean the woman in the 3rd ed book with the tail ain't going unnoticed, anywhere with that thing. |
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Jul 24 2006, 09:21 AM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
That is true but you still have cybor sams walking around bristling with the stuff, some things i have come across in games have made me think.
If attached to the spinal chord (wich is capable of supporting the body) surly it would be able to cope, possibly use titanium bone lasing? torz x |
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Jul 24 2006, 12:39 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I prefer characters who can pass for normal. I know some don't and in my game we had people with obvious cyberlimbs BUT that tail drifts into freak city. Sure in some neighborhoods your going to blend in BUT anything normal, it would be like walking aorund today in clown make up. Not illegasl but not normal.
Something small enough to have that mannual dexterity needed to shoot would not give the mass for the balance bene. You might as well have a cyberarm attached to your ass. |
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Jul 24 2006, 02:08 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No one's going to hire you for the top-notch jobs if you're concerned about things like "walking down the street without being noticed".
~J |
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Jul 24 2006, 02:42 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
That is an interesting point...........imagen the possibilitys...... torz x :evil: |
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Jul 24 2006, 03:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 573 Joined: 23-July 03 From: outside America Member No.: 5,015 |
Asses already have tails; they keep the flies off their arses. Installing cyber-arms would just make them harder to saddle.
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Jul 24 2006, 03:38 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
yeah! :rollin: |
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Jul 24 2006, 06:27 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
Ok how about making it retractable, that would help with the whole twichy, thing sticking out of my ass problem?
I mean you talk about it looking out of place but what about kids stealth cybor legs, if they don't stick out I don't know what will! torz x ;) |
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Jul 24 2006, 07:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 332 Joined: 19-September 05 From: Nashville, Tn Member No.: 7,761 |
this is easy
first he'll have to SURGE to get the actual tail. then he'll have to Cyber a laser in the tip. I'd use the stock eye laser.(price, ess, and damade code) then as a GM id make him spend skill points to be able to use it. athletics ans use cyber weapon. |
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Jul 24 2006, 08:06 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
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Jul 24 2006, 10:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
I've seen a few articles that make it look like it's not too difficult to adapt the brain to using another limb. At least for rats and monkeys. I have the feeling if cyber punk were given a facelift, there would be some pretty freaky cybered people out there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/374377.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3186850.stm |
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Jul 24 2006, 11:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 11-May 06 Member No.: 8,547 |
I'd like to see a monowhip attached... on the retractable version. :eek:
oh and remember str 2 or face a recoil penalty. also I'd probably put an off-hand weapon skill as a requirement, or suffer defaulting. |
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Jul 25 2006, 02:45 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
So we're talking about retractable anal probes, then? -karma |
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Jul 26 2006, 12:59 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 10-June 04 Member No.: 6,394 |
Well, I know that this doesn't stick well with SR's philosophy of "the cyberware pieces are part of your body/essence/soul" but why couldn't this tail be detachable ? plug it in during the run, plug it out otherwise, carry it rolled in a small bag.
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Jul 26 2006, 04:25 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
hehehehehehe :-D :rollin: |
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