 Is orichalcum overpriced? |
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 Jul 30 2006, 07:19 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
It's 88,000 :nuyen: a unit, and all that does is decrease the karma cost for bonding a focus by 1 karma. That, or it decreases the target number for enchanting. Power foci cost barely over a 100,000 :nuyen: per force point, and most foci are much less expensive per force point than one unit of orichalcum. That seems quite wrong.
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Jul 30 2006, 07:32 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
yes, except that each unit of orichalcum produces that effect, with no upper limit on the number of units you can use. if orichalcum were cheap, foci would be much, much easier to acquire, and mages would be much, much more powerful
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Jul 30 2006, 08:02 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
So... it's only useful if you have a shitload of cash?
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Jul 30 2006, 08:26 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Yes, it's over priced, because you can make it for a third of the cost in a month with negligible money invested in the necessary mode of production.
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Jul 30 2006, 09:06 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
yep. |
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Jul 30 2006, 09:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,086 |
Orichalcum: How to not screw mages and adepts TOO badly in high cash/low karma game. IE, foci become 10x as expensive.. but easy to bond.
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Jul 30 2006, 11:47 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
It's overpriced. The only people to whom it's useful for anything beyond its decorative value are people who can make it themselves. While the convenience of not having to spend a month tending the process is certainly worth something, and a mage's time is more valuable than most other people's, the setting doesn't seem to support the idea that it's at the "name your own price" levels that the orichalcum prices imply. If it were, focus prices (and wards, and anything else you can hire a mage to do) would be a lot higher, too, and I doubt there'd be very many Awakened running the shadows.
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Jul 31 2006, 12:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the insane part of the orichalcum rules isn't the price, it's the ease with which you can collect the raw materials. 20 days (base) and two tests against TN 4, and you end up with over 160 troy ounces of gold. a single troy ounce is worth over $600. and this isn't just gold, it's special gold that can be used to create magical items. does anyone see the problem here?
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Jul 31 2006, 12:36 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Talismongers have an inside track to where all the good, untainted veins of gold lie?
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Jul 31 2006, 12:39 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
seriously. to hell with making orichalcum, i'm gonna spend a year gathering gold telesma and then retire on it.
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Jul 31 2006, 12:42 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Just think... If diamonds were telesma, Stella might have even more to play with than she does now.
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Jul 31 2006, 12:45 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
oh shits! they are! they count as precious gems. hilariously, you can buy--OH HOLY CHRIST! I'LL BE RICH! you can get five freaking kilograms of diamond every 20 days!
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Jul 31 2006, 12:45 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Heh. DeBeers doesn't have shit on a determined talismonger. [edit]*looks up the conversion of carats to kg. Google gives... 1 carat = 0.0002 kilogram/ 1 kilogram = 5,000 carats. Holy goddamn!! That... That's $37.5million per month on average given today's prices.[/edit]
It's a shame Sam probably paid you guys in blood diamonds, which means they're no good to sell to talismongers, but it figures. She's like half a hair from becoming Twisted. ... *blinks* Wow. Shudder, puny mortals, at the thought of a Twisted Social Adept. |
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Jul 31 2006, 12:58 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
gathering telesma has officially replaced stealing cars as the "why should i bother shadowrunning" job.
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Jul 31 2006, 01:00 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Which is why people should pay a shitload for shadowrunners; the shit they steal is worth millions, on average.
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Jul 31 2006, 01:02 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
You know, even if this is for raw uncut diamonds and not the finished cut diamonds (also not accounting for how the price increases if a gem is more than 1 carat), that's still pretty damn good. It could be 1% of that value and it's still the new standard compared to running.
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Jul 31 2006, 01:03 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,931 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
It's overpriced and gives GMs problems with players who decide they want to make it instead of shadow runs.
Anyone up for detailing how long it would take to make enough orichalcum (from talismongering the raw materials to final product) to completely minimize the TNs and bonding cost of a F10 weapon focus? Assume the enchanter uses 3 radical materials and has 6's in all relevant skills/Attributes. |
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Jul 31 2006, 01:07 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What's the bonding cost for an F10 weapon focus? How about a power focus? I don't have MITS, but I'll definitely get Street Magic when it comes out.
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Jul 31 2006, 01:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Yes, but it's effing hard to come by, thus making it rare (despite what you have in your own game(s)) and thus expensive.
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Jul 31 2006, 12:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 27-July 06 Member No.: 8,968 |
Compared with the prices of other foci, I'd have to say no.
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Jul 31 2006, 02:24 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Holy poo flinging monkeys....
Telsma gathering for the win? |
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Jul 31 2006, 02:32 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
You need a mage to gather telesma - but you don't for stealing cars. |
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Jul 31 2006, 03:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,030 |
You don't, because talismongering is a knowledge skill even a mundane can learn. Let me quote from Magic in the Shadows: A character need not be Awakened in order to perform talismongering - all it requires is knowledge of plant lore, a little mineralogy and the centuries-old formulas used to make charms, powders, incense, lucky pieces and similar items. |
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Jul 31 2006, 03:23 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Damn! Wasn't 100% sure abot it, thanks for quoting MitS.
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Jul 31 2006, 03:41 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
So much for stealing cars.
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