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Aug 2 2006, 01:25 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Having an Echo duplicated in a Quality seems very odd. I can't think of any precidence for that, even in Metamagics. Why have it both places?
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Aug 2 2006, 02:38 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Why not? If someone wants it right off the bat they take the quality, with the downside (or the higher priced quality without a downside). If they don't mind waiting, they get it as an echo later.
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Aug 2 2006, 02:48 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Because the mirrored redundancy simply doesn't fit with how Echos, and the roughly equivalent Metamagics, are handled so far. An Echo is an advanced technique and state of mind coming from Submersion that isn't particularly natural. EDIT For the most part it is an inefficency to double up like that. As well it only takes a couple short runs, maybe three, worth of Karma to submerge the first time. So it isn't like putting it as an Echo makes it a long way off for a starting character. A much more productive approach would be to figure out a way to allow initiation and submersion for starting characters. Either just adding karma for all the PCs to spend after they go through their BP stage before play starts, or doing a straight 1:1 BP for karma cost for initiation/submersion. |
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Aug 2 2006, 03:03 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
So don't use the idea if you don't like it. What's the problem?
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Aug 2 2006, 03:03 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Hey, no problem. Just pointing out your folly. :P Doubling up like that is heading down the road of loading everything into Qualities, treating it like the hammer and see everything as a nail. |
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Aug 2 2006, 03:06 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Heh, no problem here either, just pointing out that it's only a folly in Brahm world. :P
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Aug 2 2006, 03:07 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Just noticed the edit: nice slippery slope argument you've got there, even if it isn't really applicable. :)
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Aug 2 2006, 03:08 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
:please: |
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Aug 2 2006, 03:08 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Wait! I just realized it!!! Brahm is talking to me again!
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Aug 2 2006, 03:09 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Oh fuck. Sorry, I had forgotten what a moron you were. My bad. :( |
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Aug 2 2006, 03:11 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Don't worry, it's only the status quo that you'd lose track of your thoughts from time to time, given how (self-admittedly) disjointed and rambling they are. I'm just sad I didn't get an "automated" response, as it seemed to be the only thing your ADD could focus on for any considerable length of time.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled "bash them when you've got no points" Brahm program already in progress. :D |
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Aug 2 2006, 03:15 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Ya, now it's coming back in spades. I guess I'll have to write "idiot" under you in pen this time instead of giving you the benefit of any doubt. :( |
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Aug 2 2006, 03:17 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
See, told you. Sometimes it's a burden being right so much. Life holds fewer surprises.
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