Where can I find the old rules on the Internet? Options

[eidolon]

[GoblynByte]

[Oracle]

[GoblynByte]

Yeah, I got the first question on that quiz. When it asked me how many animals I eat I stopped. Apparently Eyeless is suggesting we all sit in our houses, with the lights off, staring at our walls, until we starve to death.

I'll refrain from pointing out that Eyeless made the post on a computer. Perhaps he has one of those new computers run on hamster power. Or would that be cruel to the hamster? :D

[Kagetenshi]

If you eat humans, you should qualify for a major bonus on the quiz.

~J

[Frag-o Delux]

As for copyright laws, well I fudge the line sometimes, not going to lie or make excuses. But when it came to SR (up till SR4, and I know Im not the normal case) I bought at least 2 copies of each book. One for myself and one for the GM and group. I was tired of always wanting my books and the GM had them or the new guy had it and wanted to learn the game. Cant fault either, the GM needs them to run the game and cant discourage a new RPer. And yes I have had computers all my life, bootlegging scanned copies would have been pretty easy back in the late days of SR2 if they were out there. With SR4 I found a PDF of the BBB, not because I am now deciding to steal all books, but because I heard a bunch of different opinions and wanted to see for myself and as a "adult" I dont have $40 to lay out on a game I probably wont play. I read the rules, decided I didnt like it, then deleted the PDF. If it was a game I would have migrated to, I would have bought two copies like normal, one for me and one for my GM.

I do have a large bulk of SR2 and SR3 books in pdf, because I have been mashing them up and getting rid of stuff that doesnt need to be in them like some of the horrible art work and making indexes and searchable keywords to find what I want faster. Seeing that almost no SR book has an index. And I do not distibute them in anyway. They are for my own use, though I prefere the feel of a book when I read them, the PDFs are for my laptop when I go to the GMs house to play. I have the books for the rest of the players, I scan with my PDFs. I was also doing a large hisory mash also, like a giant web of things with all the revelavent history. And it would have all been just for me and my group. To me these forums, Ancients web site (but i think he has a deal with wikkids/fanpro) and tones other fan sites that I feel put way too much of the games content on the web for nothing. Like the Urban brawl rules someone was just asking for. When that book was out I wasnt going to buy it, the cover looked like shit and I wasnt really interested in the Media of SR at the time. But I wanted the urban Brawl and combat biking rules. So I dropped the cash for the books. Now you you can google it. If I was so inclined back in the day I could have probably found that stuff on line as well. Too bad FASA collapsed. I just dont get it, you love a game so much you feel compelled to steal it and thus killing it.

On eco hippies. They can die. I dont mind people they try to actively take a step in the right direction, but do it quietly. I dont care what you have to say. I mean really. Do you know the ecological impact your computer alone has caused? The gold in teh chips, the silicone n the chips, the steal the box is made of the plastics the copper wires are wrapped in. Im sure your computer was plucked off the magical computer tree and flewn on pixie wings to yoru house where your solar panels are powering your house at 20% effeciency. Meanign to get any reall power out of solar panels youll need to cut a lot of trees or destroy large fields to put done these marvels of indutrial technology to power your house. I love when eco hippies cry about the environment. One company I worked for had one. He asked the company to sponsor a recycling program. The company said they had no interest in spending their money on recycling. They told him if he wanted to spend the money of it they wouldnt stop him. Guess how many recycling trash can showed up? He was also a rock climber. The guy had my oil based products adn aluminum on him then you could imagine. Oil based products alone is funny enough. But do you realize the amount of electricity it akes to smelt aluminum? Its so bad they build power plants to aluminum smleters to power these things, and a lot of hydro electric. Thats real eco friendly.

And god damn these vegitarian and vegan hippies. I just love watching a vegeterian tell me how healthy his diet is compared to mine, but he moves like a 3 toes slot, and is pale. I do that because Im lazy and hate the sun. Even better he tells me its wromg to kill animals to eat their flesh, but has on leather shoes. Appearently they found a way to skin a cow alive so we can have leather products and not kill a cow.

Sorry in a really big rant mood the last couple days.

EDIT: that test is pretty silly. If I didnt do a few of thosethings everyday along with everyone else the world would not be what it is, for good or bad but do we really want to be flinging pooh at each other still? Crazy thing though, I live in a house with 2 other people, less then 1000 square feet of space to live in. That includes a kitchen and bathroom. The house sits on about a quarter acre of land, and it takes 4.7 acres of their mythological land to support my shelter needs? Um, my house is so old the seeds from the trees that were cut down to make my house have grown up, made new trees and are now parts of houses else where.

[Eyeless Blond]

*sigh* I'll try to respond to most of this later, in particular the many gross and incomprehensible misinterpretations of my argument and my position, but... well to be honest there's not much point. My position is fairly clearly laid out above. Surely at least one of you bright people out there will actually read my argument, instead of reading someone else's into it, but maybe I'm just wasting my time hoping. Suffice to say that not one person so far has actually got it right; to each of you I suggest going back and actually reading what I wrote, rather than what you perceive me as having wrote, and respond to that instead.

Then again, this is the internet, so I can hardly expect that, can I? :)

[Frag-o Delux]

Ok, re-read, so throwing our my old freon filled refriderator and getting a new appliance will save the planet, ok, everyone, start throwing out all your perfectly fine but slightly old stuff to buy all new more energy effecient stuff. Sure well have to rape the land for more resources to supply this demand and burns millions of gallons of fuel to transport is all around the world. But wont you feel better now that yoru ecological foot print is a cunt hair slimer?

While at it, lets all ride on those city buses that dont have to go threw smog emission tests and beltch black ling filling death all over us as we sit on the side of the road waiting for them to pick us up. I hope Wal-mart puts another store with in a mile of my house, because good nknows I want to sit in the bus with a weeks worth of groceries or my new ecofriendly dishwasher.

And lets eat that salad that was made from vegetables planted, tended to and picked by machinces. Yeah, that salad is a much better use of pland then some beef raising. Unless of course you are eating those organic foods or growingthe shit in your own back yeard, which means youll need that much more room to grow food, seeing that every person in the country would need a large farm to supply their yearly food intake and to make sure they get all the proper vitamins and all. And we all know how well bad farming techniques downt effect the planet. Besides youll have plenty of time tendign yoru crops farmer brown. You only have to get to a bus stop and wait 30 minutes for the bus, to drive you to work taking another 45 minutes to go 3 miles. To get to work 25 minutes early, because if you take the bus after that one youll be 2 hours late. Then you get to do it all over again when its time to go home. I hope you work in a office building and only need to carry your fat ass to work, because I dont think the bus company will let you strap a 40 foot ladder to the top of the buss and let you store 1 ton of shingles on the back seat. And I love these cherry tomatoes you organic farmers grew, what, theyre not cherry tomatoes? They are regular tomatoes that you picked to eat before the bugs got them, so it takes 5 of these things to cover a sandwhich or 100 to make a speghetti sauce. Where my professionaly farmed tomato will cover several sandwhiches and only a few are needed to make a good sauce.

Yeah Im glad Im eco friendly. By time Im done saving earth Ill be dead at 35 poor as a retarted bastard. Look earth has been hit by meteors, its supposedly been flooded for 40 days, we are throwing all we can at her. Shes not going anywhere soon. We are, well die off long before the Earth disappears. So stop telling me to save the planet.

Im not saying lets go nuts adn throw everything out the window, but Im only going to go far enough to help as as long as its not a major hassle. Put out a recycling bin, Ill drop my shit in it what ever. Yeah I hate payign high gas prices, I remember when lol, but I have to. You are right its supply and demand. I drive my big truck a lone because I have a need for it first of all and I go alone because I generally dont like people, Im not going to be responcible for making sure someone else gets to work on time, because I barely do each day myself and well, I like my radio station, not yours.

[hyzmarca]

[Kagetenshi]

[emo samurai]

Dude, I'm buying street magic tomorrow. Chill.

[Grinder]

Awesome!

:D

[nezumi]

Meh, I'll marginally side with Eyeless. But maybe that's because I'm stuck in a tiny apartment with four people, a nissan that gets 32mpg, free bus tickets and plenty of farmer's markets nearby (my footprint was around 13, but I question that, both because my electricity use is higher than it should be, and because we are temendously thrifty in other areas).

Keep in mind, the oil companies are limited in what they can do because new "green" laws have put such harsh limits on oil refineries, that the oil companies can't afford to build any new ones. So on the one side we have people voting to make oil cleaner, and on the other people making their oil consumption unnaturally high through the purchase of ridiculously huge cars. I don't feel bad for the oil companies, but I don't think they are necessarily unethical either (people speculating on the price of oil and driving up the price on the other hand...)

[Kagetenshi]

[Frag-o Delux]

[James McMurray]

BP made somewhere along the lines of $55,000 per minute (profit) last quarter. I don't think they have anything to worry about.

[Grinder]

[Critias]

14, and couldn't care less.

[Calvin Hobbes]

Wooooooo!

They'd need 12 planets to keep up with my lifestyle! Hah!

[SL James]

hahahaha

[James McMurray]

Buncha pansies! 35 acres and 7.8 planets.

[SirKodiak]

[mfb]

i feel left out, only 9 acres and 2 planets.

though i think the whole measurement is a false standard. sure, if everyone lived like me, we'd need 2 planets--but so what? how many people actually do live like me? "9 acres and 2 planets" says absolutely nothing about how much impact my lifestyle actually has on the planet, because there's no context provided for how many acres and planets the rest of the world's population is using. if 99% of the population is using 0.5 acres and 0.5 planets, or something, and the other 1% is using 500,000 acres and 10 planets, the planet is not being affected negatively according to this test. that 1% is guilt-free.

[James McMurray]

You're obviously not trying hard enough. On your way out the next time you're headed somewhere you should swing by a cheap gas station and start up the pump then drive away. The waste alone will help, but with any luck it'll blow the gas station up, filling the sky with black smoke and forcing people to drive to farther, more expensive stations.

[Kagetenshi]