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King of the Hobos  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127  |
Bioware runs up against the Racial Maximum and can't go above it since it's treated as natural but cyberware certainly can.
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Oct 21 2003, 06:27 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Bioware is considered to be natural, and such augmentations can therefore not exceed Racial Maximum. There is no such restriction on Cyber and/or Magic however. |
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Oct 21 2003, 06:30 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
And don't forget, the Bioware cap is a suggestion in the FAQ, not a canon ruling.
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Oct 21 2003, 06:33 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
So, if I understand this:
Max rating: 9 with either lots of karma or bioware Max rating 10 with cyberware Assuming human base of 6. -Siege |
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Oct 21 2003, 06:54 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's somewhat debatable, as it merely clarifies the canonical difference between natural and unnatural augmentation. Bioware has always been described in canon as being of the former category, whereas Magical and Cybernetic augmentations belong to the latter. Edit: Just a note to state that I don't necessarily agree with the FAQ ruling. :) |
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Oct 21 2003, 06:58 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Plus you can still improve the Attribute with Karma up to 9 (discounting non-Bioware augmentation), making the cap 13. |
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Oct 21 2003, 10:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Also don't forget, Siege, that only your Natural attribute counts towards alot of things, so although Cyber will surpass Bio, it won't perform one of the most important reasons to take Bio, cheaper skill costs due to higher natural attributes.
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Oct 21 2003, 12:58 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
[edit] Stupid two page threads ;) [/edit]
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Oct 22 2003, 12:46 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I blame Uzbekistan! 8) |
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Oct 22 2003, 10:13 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Although bioware cannot push an attribute above racial maximum, and cyberware can't (unless it's in a cyberlimb) increase an attribute by more than 4, there are combinations of the two that can raise attributes higher.
Suprathyroid Gland + Muscle Replacement 4, for instance, can raise Quickness and Strength to 11 for a human starting with 6 in both Attributes. |
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Oct 22 2003, 11:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 6-October 03 From: Tempe, Arizona Member No.: 5,692 |
Personally, I allow Cultured bioware to increase the Attribute Maximums (but NOT the RML), but that's more of a house rule than anything.
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Oct 24 2003, 01:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
I always thought that bio could take your stats pasted race max but not attribute max. To get past attribute max you need the cyber.
Or is this another thing i've unintentionally house ruled?? |
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Oct 24 2003, 02:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
I think my favourite min-max is plaing a full mage.
That's all you need. You want more? Shaman with charisma 6 (12 including +6 from force 6 increace charisma spell) using a summoned force 6 spirit with the movement power and a force 6 levitation spell cast on himself. That's a speed of 129.6km/hour (6*6*6 m/round = 36M/second). The above becomes easier if you can get a higher force increace charisma spell (thus your charisma can be 4-5 making the TN for the spell easier) and becomes faster as your magic rating increaces. |
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Oct 24 2003, 04:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 17-June 02 From: Concord University, Athens, WV Member No.: 2,880 |
My house rule on Bioware and Adept Power attribute increases is that they act as a natural increase in absolutely every way. Meaning, they're effectively a new racial mod. A human with Cat's Eyes, Tailored Pheromones 2, and Muscle Toner 1 is functionally identical to an unmodified elf.
While this does let you exceed your racial limits/maximums, it also increases the karma cost for future modifications. Cyber, on the other hand, just adds a number to the attribute. ...though I just realized I never really applied this to the Adept increased attribute power. |
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Oct 24 2003, 04:14 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
My understanding of Bioware is that it cannot take you beyond your racial max for any stat. Where Cyberware can.
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Oct 24 2003, 05:49 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Well the way i do it is the way in the book, its natural.
read pg 77 M&M Natural or Augmented |
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