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 Aug 9 2006, 03:54 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 20-February 06 From: Media PA Member No.: 8,288  |
Prolly an obvious answer is cyberware and bioware negated by this spell?
what about physical adept powers? |
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Aug 9 2006, 04:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
No understandee. Please elaborate.
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Aug 9 2006, 04:01 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 20-February 06 From: Media PA Member No.: 8,288 |
well do the bonuses still apply when under the spell?
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Aug 9 2006, 04:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
Well in SR3 in the case of a shapeshifter with adept powers that affected his physical attributes the bonuses only applied to the human form.
Using that as a basis one could say that adept powers wouldn't count for someone who was shapechange spelled into an animal form either. ( and since adept bonuses didn't make it I'd say bioware and cyberware bonuses would be definitely out ) |
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Aug 9 2006, 04:48 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
In Magic in the Shadows (SR3) cyberware doesnt function under while under the effects of that spell. No mention of bioware.
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Aug 9 2006, 03:16 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
I think cyberware is used in SR4 at times as a generic term to include all cyber/bio.
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Aug 10 2006, 01:15 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 20-February 06 From: Media PA Member No.: 8,288 |
but am i missing it i just see clothing and equipment listed
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Aug 10 2006, 02:04 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
It can be hard to tell when though. :( Sensitive System is Cyberware only. Or at least I believe it was officially confirmed so in SR3, IIRC. |
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Aug 10 2006, 05:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
it explicitly does not affect bioware in SR4, iirc. and in SR3, it couldn't have possibly affected bioware, since bioware had no essence cost, per se. |
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Aug 10 2006, 02:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 20-February 06 From: Media PA Member No.: 8,288 |
Generally speaking though is it a yay nay or debatable. right now i am thinking that since adepts and cyberware bonuses have a cost, effects should transfer?
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Aug 10 2006, 03:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
I'm pretty sure that neither cyber nor adept powers work, but I really should be sleeping rather than looking up rules right now.
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Aug 10 2006, 07:54 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
cyber and bioware are both absorbed into the new form. not transformed into cyber and bioware for the new form, just absorbed into it.
since they are not (usually) magical, i can't imagine why the temporarily altered form would not simply make it impossible for the equipment to function within it's normal parameters... skillwires that have been turned into nerve tissue no longer function as skillwires, IMO. so, i am going to have to go with saying no, you don't keep the bonus from cyber or bioware when affected by the shapechange spell. |
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Aug 10 2006, 07:58 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
mmm, full 'borg shapechanging into an all-meat human and walking right through the metal detector. Even if you want to argue that shapechange only allows critters, we have spell design rules now, so that can be fixed with probably a minor increase in drain code.
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