 Hey, how about a Character Dossier thread? |
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 Nov 18 2003, 10:28 PM
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Prime Runner  Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51  |
I fear no proofreader; they are a different breed from editor entirely.
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Nov 18 2003, 11:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
Quite nice, but as usual with things like this, it will never satisfy me 100%, but it will add inspiration for my own homemade sheets.
Where is the new part? The three drawing used are from Bottled Demon, Lone Star Sourcebook and DMZ
Well they could have done a better job. Here are the mistakes I've found so far: Tables of Note (inside cover): Attacker's/defender's/target's/weapon's/spell's should be attackers/defenders/targets/weapons/spells. You only use ' when you shorten things like "do not -> don't". Driving (under body skills) should be diving. Aura reading (under intelligence skills) should have a *, since you can't default to this skill. Hovercraft (under reaction skill) is missing. Weapons of choice (page 2?): Many of the ranged attack target numbers are wrong. Here are the corrected ones according to my calculations: Smart goggles**: 3 4 5(7) 8 Smartlink-2 w/ Range Finder: 2 3 3(5) 5 Image Magnification Level 1: 4 4 5(5) 6(8) Image Magnification Level 1 with Laser Sight+: 3 3 4(4) 5(7) Gas Venting (Rating ---) should be Gas Venting (Rating___) |
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Nov 18 2003, 11:58 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Incorrect. The ' symbol is also used to show possession as in "the attacker's guns" and for plural attackers "the attackers' guns". |
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Nov 19 2003, 12:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
However, he's right in this instance- the last two should have no " ' "
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Nov 19 2003, 12:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Don't get me started on English Terms...
Defence, Armour, Specialisation, etc. Ho-hum. BTW Adam, you quite correct old bean. Proofreaders are a totally different breed than Editors. Beware the Proofreader, but Bribe the Editor! :D |
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Nov 19 2003, 01:47 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
That would only be a problem if SR used the English (UK) dictionary rather than the English (US) dictionary. :) |
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Nov 19 2003, 02:31 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I do quite frequently thank editors for making my work look better than it actually is... no reason to bribe them. I want my work to be twisted into the best possible form; my words are not precious. [Incidentally, using the UK dictionary at my day job at the US dictionary for most of my freelance work... that's a pain in the arse. ;-)] |
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Nov 19 2003, 06:40 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
I can't speak for all the proofreaders who might be looking this thread over, but I know that when I proofed the thing (and I did proof it to hell and back, as anyone who's seen my proofing style will tell you) I didn't get the chance to look at what the inside covers were going to have; all I had to go on was a rough mockup of what the sheets inside were going to look like.
Just wanted to clarify that little tidbit for our usual band of hecklers. |
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Nov 19 2003, 07:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
Given some reading comprehension, you'd know that the cover of Character Dossier is not the same as the mock-up that was available some time ago. Hence, new and different old art.
Maybe you forgot that there are things in the English language called possessives.
Good catch.
Err...Astrally active characters Astrally Perceive using their Intelligence. Aura Reading is a complementary skill to that. In addition, Cyberzombies can use Intelligence as their Astral Perception skill at a +4 modifier, but can pick up Aura Reading later.
Yup.
I'll take your word for it. I'm sure the correct tables exist in Cannon Companion, anyway.
In the second "Primary Ranged Weapon" box, yes. |
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Nov 19 2003, 07:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
God, you're still wrong. "spell's Drain Code". "spell's outcome". "Weapon's Power". These are direct quotes from the inside cover. These are correct. Give these people a little credit for knowing basic apostrophe usage. And for those that don't, Bob the Angry Flower is always ready to drop some knowledge on anyone. |
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Nov 19 2003, 08:46 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Patrick is correct about the inside covers not getting the same proofing as the interior.
I've still yet to see my copies, btw, which is why I haven't responded to some of the more specific points; I'll write up an errata for Rob when I finally get my copies and have some free time. |
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Nov 20 2003, 01:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Wow Kosherpickle, that Flower is sure angry all right.
Please keep of the grass folks, you're only going to upset the flower (and those pesky druids...) |
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Nov 22 2003, 09:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 30-May 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 4,652 |
I'd like to add one comment on the Character Dossier. The section for keeping track of your karma expenditures is a great idea, but I feel the execution could have been done a lot better. Something like getting frid of the boxes and just having the blank line area labeled at the top of the column would allow for a lot more updates to be logged there or have them take up less space for more in the "notes" section below it.
Overall, I think it's a great tool and I'm going to move my group over to using it. Especialy since most of them are horrible at keeping track of character stuff. |
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Nov 23 2003, 10:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
But you still can't default to Aura Reading: SR3 page 86-87: Aura Reading: Default: None. Either you have it or you don't. and here: Official SR3 Eratta Lars |
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Nov 23 2003, 11:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
Damn. I knew there was something i forgot since I've had English 20 years ago :-) Well at least I've learnt something today.
But SCD is till wrong, and what's the point of having the same information several places if only one of these are correct. Half the time you will be looking at the wrong tables, and somebody is bound to use the wrong numbers. In any case CC is also wrong, but only in one place (Image Magnification 1 with Laser Sight) which should be: 3 3 4(4) 5(7) Lars |
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Nov 28 2003, 05:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
I like it, but at £3.50 (that's UK) a pop, I'll be buying them for those already retired or retiring characters which are old and falling apart, so I can have a nice permanent record.
But even though overall I think its really very good (worth it for the inside covers and character portait/record of activity pages alone imho) I was a bit narked that the adept and otaku bits filled the same page. Both of those, for my money, have a lot more to say than that. The powers section could have been expanded to allow people to keep a shorthand record of what individual powers do or any special effects that go with them (eg one of my adepts has a street fighter 2 style effect when he does killing hands/distance strike. Its fluff, it does more harm than good, but its the character's trademark and its cool, so I have it), or other notes (geases and what form they take for each power etc), and the otaku section could've been expanded to cover things in more details. However, i do realise you must've agonised about what to put in and leave out for a goodly while and you absolutely can't please everyone, so I'm still giving it 4 out of 5 because of all the other really good stuff in it. |
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