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post Aug 17 2006, 06:34 AM
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Awesome.

Shshshshsh! He could hear you! *looking around paranoidly*
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post Aug 17 2006, 06:54 AM
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As the sell sheets says, Emergence will deal with the technomancer phenomenon, how it becomes public knowledge, how people (at all levels handle it) and to in no small part what makes TMs different from otaku. The campaign book unfolds during late 2069 and thru 2070 and follows the results of widespread public awareness and good old human nature kicking in. And that's only about the half of it.
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post Aug 17 2006, 06:56 AM
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I fail to comprehend how a society as PC as it is in 2070 becomes insane at the idea of TMs. But that's just me.
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:04 AM
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We'll see. I'd bet on a "Wow. Just another oddity"-kind of reaction.
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:07 AM
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it... agh! so, this overrides the hearsay translated from a German fanzine that says that TMs are basically unknown in 2070? i ask because, well, until now that hearsay was really the only flavor text anyone had to go on.
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:28 AM
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it... agh! so, this overrides the hearsay translated from a German fanzine that says that TMs are basically unknown in 2070? i ask because, well, until now that hearsay was really the only flavor text anyone had to go on.

I thought one of the FanPro inner circle confirmed that nugget of information as well. Besides, the sellsheet for Emergence seems to confirm it also. If the existance Technomancers is just now becoming frontpage news in the events of Emergence, one might infer that they were unknown prior to those events.
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:32 AM
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i've had that nugget from other sources, but the German zine translation is the only one i'm sure is public knowledge. i don't care which it is, so long as it's confirmed one way or the other soon, y'know? and so long as TMs get some sort of flavor in the same timeframe. just because i think radio brains are the silliest thing since Hitler-based street gangs doesn't mean i don't want to know what my preciouses are up to.
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:36 AM
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The information from the German newsletter is correct. Technomancers are rarer than magicians and at the start of 2070 society at large is blissfully unaware of their existance and their abilities.

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I fail to comprehend how a society as PC as it is in 2070 becomes insane at the idea of TMs. But that's just me.

All you need is one hard push in the right direction to go off the edge.
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post Aug 17 2006, 08:28 AM
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As witnessed so often here on these very forums... :P
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post Aug 17 2006, 08:39 AM
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So is there going to be some event that freaks out the public regarding technos? Like some terrorist hacking or public airwave hijakcing?
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post Aug 17 2006, 03:36 PM
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Thanks, Winterhawk. Actually, it makes me feel a little better knowing I was not the only one who missed it...

It sounds like most of the stuff covered is stuff that we've already heard hear on dumpshock, so maybe I didn't miss as much as I thought I might have.

Oh, & for the admins, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to provoke any flaming with my thread title, I was just aiming for a play on the seminar title....
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post Aug 17 2006, 05:35 PM
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Honestly, if everyone hated SR4, there wouldn't be an SR4 forum. It would have hit the ground, got poor reviews, bad sales, and vanished into the night like Wraith: The Oblivion.

Dude, be fair. Wraith: the Oblivion rocked. It was Mummy that everyone hated.
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post Aug 17 2006, 06:00 PM
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Well, sounds like Emergence won't work with my campaign. I always assumed technomancers were public knowledge, to some degree. The group met a technomancer DJ, even. (Kidnapped her, actually.) Ah, well. I was never good at sticking to a pre-defined world. My game definitely takes place in my own version of Shadowrun 2070.

I'll probably get it anyway, because I think technomancers are neat.
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post Aug 17 2006, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Synner)
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I fail to comprehend how a society as PC as it is in 2070 becomes insane at the idea of TMs. But that's just me.

All you need is one hard push in the right direction to go off the edge.

Oh boy.
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (SL James)
Oh boy.

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This is nothing.

You try using the official german setting for the AGS. :S
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post Aug 17 2006, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (Eryk the Red)
Well, sounds like Emergence won't work with my campaign. I always assumed technomancers were public knowledge, to some degree.

How about running it as a character flashback?
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post Aug 17 2006, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)
QUOTE (SL James)
Oh boy.

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This is nothing.

You try using the official german setting for the AGS. :S

Sooo much fun.


Not. :S
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post Aug 17 2006, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (SL James @ Aug 16 2006, 11:56 PM)
I fail to comprehend how a society as PC as it is in 2070 becomes insane at the idea of TMs. But that's just me.

Let's see...

Magic comes about and people panic? Check.
Metas come about and people lynch them? Check.
It's discovered, after a rogue AI (hiding in the heads of otaku) crashes the global Matrix and kills or traps millions of people in the process, that some people have developed the ability to broadcast wireless signals from their brains and we think there's a connection to those events? Oh yeah, that's not gonna worry anybody. :S
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post Aug 17 2006, 08:54 PM
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It's discovered, after a rogue AI (hiding in the heads of otaku) crashes the global Matrix and kills or traps millions of people in the process,

Huh? Winternight already is the scapegoat. Deus Network never was public knowledge nor were those otaku... and Deus dind't even try to crash the matrix.

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that some people have developed the ability to broadcast wireless signals from their brains and we think there's a connection to those events?  Oh yeah, that's not gonna worry anybody.

Even aside that there is no connection - what do you think worries people more:
People taking over their fridge or people taking over their mind? ;)
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:01 PM
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Magical hysteria has died down a lot, but people are always afraid of something new. They've lived 50 years with nobody taking over their mind, but they're probably also experieinced at least one case of identity theft or other hacking crime. That someone can do it with their brain alone will scare people. Sure, logically it's little different than someone doing it with a commlink, but logic rarely matters in mob mentality.

Additionally there is now a huge security problem for corporations. you used to be able to scan people for commlinks if you wanted to keep them from gaining access in your facilitity. Now they can walk through your scans butt nekked and still hack you blind.
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:03 PM
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Sure, logically it's little different than someone doing it with a commlink, but logic rarely matters in mob mentality.

In fact, it's very similar to an implanted comlink... which are around soe time, too, and widespread.
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:04 PM
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well, by taking over your fridge they can proceed from there to contaminate your food source. they could also take over various other things (like most of your apartment).

for example, they could lock you into your apartment, turn off the phones, activate all your security features... and have half a dozen cleaning/maintenance drones waiting for you inside.

furthermore, if you own a sim module (hint: most people will) they can hack that and force you into the matrix and proceed to use black hammer/blackout on you.

but what gets *really* scary, is when the rules for psychotropic IC come out. because, as we all know, technomancers can learn any program as a complex form. *any* program. such as a "send me all your money, and be my slave for the rest of your life" program. which they can use on you from more or less anywhere, as long as you have trodes/datajack/implanted commlink and a sim module.

so yeah, i could totally see how TMs would become demonized.
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:06 PM
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You can demonize anyone and their dog. (Especially their dog.)

Just trying to demonize tech-affinity in a hightech world isn't really going to hold well.
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:14 PM
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From a security standpoint implanted commlinks are different because you can detect an implanted commlink. From a personal standpoint they're different because implanted commlinks have been around a while and nobody thinks about them. TMs are new and not understood. Therefore they're scary.

It doesn't matter much if threats have changed any, people want something new to be scared of. It's fairly standard for there to be a "threat" that's the flavor of the month. For awhile it was nukes, then AIDS, more recently it was terrorism, then Armageddon, now terrorism again.
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post Aug 17 2006, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (James McMurray)
From a security standpoint implanted commlinks are different because you can detect an implanted commlink.

Those that Joe Average owns... but when considering attack scenarios, one does not worry about Joe Average.

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From a personal standpoint they're different because implanted commlinks have been around a while and nobody thinks about them.

Form a personal PoV, nobody will be able to even tell the difference.

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TMs are new and not understood. Therefore they're scary.

TM are nearly unnoticeable in the world of SR.
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