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 Aug 18 2006, 09:01 AM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364  |
Are you now, or have you ever been...
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Aug 18 2006, 10:54 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Like I said - geeks. ;) |
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Aug 18 2006, 01:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Nope. Just pointing out that your recent posts have been very typical of you. Lots of vitriol and very little actual content. Heck, you even at one point told someone to F off because you're a great GM, but that you weren't about to prove that statement using the yardstick of the thread in question. I don't know if real life has decided to bite you in the ass lately or what, but you used to at least inject a little bit of useful discussion every now and then. Lately it's just "I roxxors! SR4 suxxors!" It's amusing, sad, and familiar all at once. |
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Aug 18 2006, 03:36 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, people. i fear we may soon get a visit from the great bull in the sky. so lets try and leave the personal bits out of it, ok?
all in all its just guesswork, but history (as in RL) have shown that a combo of uninformed/missinformed and scared can make people do very illogical things. so lets put a halt to this and wait to see how the book explains how things happen. |
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Aug 18 2006, 03:47 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I doubt it. I've never seen a moderator say anything to people like SL James, Geekakke, Cain, and the like. Long term citizenship here seems to grant you immunity to the "don't be an ass" rules.
I think that a highly publicized case, or cases, or matrix crime and/or terrorism will be brought against a small group of Technomancers. The media frenzy will start a manhunt, and the TMs will strike back, probably crippling somegovernment agency or middle to upper tier corporation's online presence. That will be enough for the corporate owned media to raise the fear levels as high as they can, because when people are afraid they don't mind if you take peoples' rights away. edit: had "moderator" and "SL James" cross wires in my brain so that the first post seemed to indicate that Bull was one of the people that acts like an ass. |
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Aug 18 2006, 03:49 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
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Aug 18 2006, 03:50 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Glad I could amuse. :)
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Aug 18 2006, 04:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Hmm. Now which way will Horizon jump? |
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Aug 18 2006, 05:46 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
haaaaaahahahahaha! |
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Aug 18 2006, 06:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I'm on a roll. Perhaps it's not the long term citizenship, but there are definitely people around who are very, um, abrasive who don't get called on it by the moderators. There are others who are less abrasive, but also less well-liked, who do.
That's all totally off topic to the post at hand though. If someone wants to continue the discussion I'd be happy to take it to PM. |
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Aug 18 2006, 07:33 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 20-July 06 Member No.: 8,921 |
I could very easily see Otaku/TMs being painted as scapegoats for Crash 2.0.
Yes, I know that it didn't happen that way, but enough corporate or government propoganda in that direction could easily convince Joe Average that it is the absolute truth. Especially considering the weird, semi-mystical way in which these individuals access the matrix, combined with the confluence of events. That kind of coincidence is thrown out in court as inadmissable, but the court of popular opinion operates quite differently... |
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Aug 18 2006, 07:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
Shhhhhh, they'll hear you. |
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Aug 18 2006, 07:40 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 27-February 03 Member No.: 4,171 |
Following that, it's not unreasonable to assume that if Corporation X feels they can profit from mass hysteria ("Need protection for Magic Brain Hackers? Buy Product Prime and keep them at bay!" or maybe use the ensuing media frenzy as a distraction to slip nefarious doings by the public or ...) they'll be the ones fueling if not creating it. Dystopia tropes. It's what's for dinner. |
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Aug 18 2006, 08:04 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
I'm pretty sure any Corp providing services in or about the matrix will be very swift to mute such paranoia: You don't want your sheep worrying too much.
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Aug 18 2006, 08:08 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 14-August 06 Member No.: 9,107 |
I can see it now, late night infomercials for tinfoil hats for your commlink.. |
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Aug 18 2006, 08:12 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
eh, i dunno. a good enemy--be it technomancers or teh terrars--is a good way to keep the sheep in line. without (blatantly) injecting my own biases, look at the way the Bush administration handles fear. whenever there's any terrorist incident, no matter how minor, it's trumpeted as loudly as possible. if the corps provide the appearance of being able to protect their people from the technomancer menace, i think they'd very well inflate that menace to strike as much fear into their sheep as possible. |
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Aug 18 2006, 08:15 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Definitely. A new matrix threat means new matrix security suites, and those suckers aren't cheap.
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Aug 18 2006, 08:43 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
In the case of a monopoly, indeed. Just there isn't one in SR, and all those corps are just too willing to backstab each other if one tries to go that route. If there is one thing the history of SR showed, it's the sport of 'who has the best cover-up'. |
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Aug 18 2006, 10:49 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i tend to view the corps as having a monopoly, or fairly close, on their own citizenry. that's not something SR's very clear on, though.
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Aug 19 2006, 10:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,002 |
Easy boys. Lets not whip it out and measure it on the table just yet. /moving on //nothing worth while to see here |
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Aug 28 2006, 03:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 26-February 02 From: London, England Member No.: 1,680 |
I can easily see how people could get worried about technomancers. It's not what the public knows, its what it doesn't know
It seems that a lot of people got the wrong end of the stick in the Crash2. For example Novatech got a heap of grief for their involvement, which was simply to be one of the first to die. Anyone who blamed Novatech may have gotten glimpses of the truth about AI's and the Otaku. Most likely it was hidden (especially by Renraku). Which is why Novatech got the grief it did. Then technomancers emerge. Joe Public hears people can do weird things with their brains. First they ask where they came from, and their answers involve AI's, Otaku, Brainwashing, The Network, The Dissonance, (all of which acted in a very "we are not part of society" way) and their part in the crash. They already know about the Nukes and Winternight, but they always knew there were Nukes in the world. They didn't know there were AI's and Otaku, who could do what they did and played a pivotal role in almost sending us back to the dark ages. Once all that brainwashing and mind changing stuff that the AI's did came out, you'll start wondering if these Technomancers can do that. Can they affect your mind? No one has the answer. Some say "of course not! Wireless networks can't affect your mind!" Yet a week ago, your mind couldn't affect wireless networks, and now it can (if you're a Technomancer). Who are these people? What do these people want? What can these people do? Are these people think like us at all? How do we protect ourselves from these people? What is being done to make sure these people don't hurt us again? What do you do if you think James is one of these people? Who do you call? |
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Aug 28 2006, 08:47 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
The funny thing is that because they both have "James" in their user name, I can never remember which one is which. It's only when they quote each other like above that I can keep track of it. :) On the subject of Technomancers and Emergence, this may not be the right place for it, but can the Fanpro people remember that there are those of us who dislike the idea of them and have actually cut them out of our games. Now if it's just me, then no account needs to be taken of it, and I'll just accept the increasing amount of work I have to do to use FanPro products in my game. But there was a poll around here not long ago that revealed quite a large proportion of people really didn't like the idea. In that case, is it viable to keep that in mind and try to make the technomancer fluff a bit-detachable. I have in mind something like Psionics in WotC new Eberron line. Although it is a big part of the setting, they have actually managed to make it so that you can drop it from the game and still have a coherent setting. Sounds difficult, but it's actually been carried off very elegantly. The idea of technomancers rankles very badly with us and the last thing we need is having them so entangled in the setting we can't do anything about it, or having them prevalent over hackers. MFB is only the most... ah, direct of us. I mean if I've got the release schedule right, Emergence is coming out even before Unwired. Isn't that going to put a much greater emphasis on technomancers than it is on hackers? I don't want that and I'm going to need some way of reversing it in my game. |
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Aug 28 2006, 09:16 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
None of the SR4 groups I know has a technomancer as an PC, so no big problem here leaving them out. ;)
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Aug 28 2006, 09:28 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
No one is immune to account suspension due to activity. Some of those you have mentioned, Mr. McMurray, have been suspended in the past for the kind of behavior you mention. I should also point out that with regards to SL James as an "old timer", you registered your current account here 5 months prior to him. Hence, you've been here longer, under these accounts.
Likewise, I've been here longer than anyone you've mentioned save Cain (counting these accounts, anyway), and I have yet to recieve any communique (secret or otherwise) from any admin notifying me of my suspension-immunity. Bull and Adam aren't locking people out for having the kind of bitchfests they do unless they begin to disrupt entire classes of discussion - re: SR3 vs SR4. This is because there's only so much Adam and Bull love to go around, and I imagine they trust you to be adult and not perpetuate these things in public. |
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Aug 28 2006, 09:48 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Now you know of one that does: Mine. |
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