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post Aug 31 2006, 05:39 PM
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Given the specific case, I would like to see examples that are not forced.

i should first clarify that these images are not pornographic, to Monday. i'm not looking to play a guy who's that particular flavor of disturbed. also, it's not just images; he looks for video, trideo, simsense, documents describing both the politics surrounding the events and the events themselves, etcetera.

given the state of the world in 2070, there will doubtless be plenty of excuses for my GM to have Monday make a Will check to avoid following new article instead of doing whatever Matrix work he's supposed to be working on. or for me to have Monday fly off the handle all of the sudden because some random action by somebody is contributing in some arcane way to the continued use of landmines in third-world conflicts.

like i said, i don't care if it conforms exactly to the Addiction flaw. it's an addiction, and it negatively affects the character; therefore, rather than make up some new Has A Sick Obsession With Horrific Data flaw, i went with Addiction.
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post Aug 31 2006, 05:42 PM
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I'd love to watch this character more closely throughout the run. Damned shame I can't create a Shadowland account.
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post Aug 31 2006, 06:12 PM
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also, it's not just images; he looks for video, trideo, simsense, documents describing both the politics surrounding the events and the events themselves, etcetera.

So it's more like what the guys at rotten and ogrish do?
Will he publish the results, too?

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it's an addiction, and it negatively affects the character; therefore, rather than make up some new Has A Sick Obsession With Horrific Data flaw, i went with Addiction.

Technically, it is an obsession, but if you want to reintegrate psychological flaws, the Addiction rules indeed provide an adequate guideline.
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post Aug 31 2006, 06:19 PM
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Suggestion: While the Tasking Group is certainly tempting, the Decompiling skill is frankly useless - you're better off dropping it entirely and spending the extra 6 BPs on a +1 to your Registering and increasing the last CFs to 5.

On your choice of CFs: Honestly, Technomancers are never ever going to be any good in Matrix combat. Seriously, they do not have the CFs to waste on that sort of thing. Fortunately, Registering Sprites is free, it just takes time and causes Fading - so after a few weeks of playing your character it is reasonable to assume that you'll have your limit of registered Rating 4 Registered Spries. They can fight very well indeed.

Essentially it means that CFs like Armor and Attack are wasted on you, while CFs like Sniffer and ECCM are must-haves.

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From a RP perspective, Technomancers talk to and rely on sprites even more than Magicians do to Spirits. And unlike Spirits, which are actually quite visible to other people, Sprites exist entirely in inaccessible chat rooms most of the time. Technomancers, therefore, are way farther into the realm of crazy-talk than are Magicians. Sort of.

The thing that sets them apart is that everyone else is talking to their Matrix chat-room buddies in AR all the time too! Because Technomancers spend all their time talking to entities on-line, they actually fit into mundane society much better than Magicians do. The absolute crazy-talk isn't even visible to the naked eye. When they say "I'm talking to my forum friends" - that's completely reasonable for a person in 2070 to be doing. The fact that the "forum friends" are actually made out of the forum rather than being other enthusiasts around the world is nuts - but not immediately obvious to those around them.

So most TMs are going to come off as obsessive fans. Of something. Maybe an old trid show, maybe a pen and paper RPG. They need to check in with their forum several times a day - and we certainly don't know anyone like that, do we?

The thing is, if you actually go in depth research on a Technomancer's stories, they don't add up. The trid show they obsess over was never actually aired. The forum they are always reading doesn't "exist" and the commlink they are always typing on has been broken for months. If you investigate a TM's stories closely, they are like A Beautiful Mind - none of the people, places, or events the Technomancer interacts with on a daily basis are "real".

But of course, they are real - just in a Resonance Realm, not here. They come off as Comic Book Guy, but it turns out that they're talking to space aliens. If you look at them peripherally they appear to be obsessives. If you look at them closer it appears that they are completely delusional. But unfortunately if you look at them even closer it turns out that they are sane and you are crazy. Good times.

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Interesting point of view on the TM Frank.
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post Aug 31 2006, 06:47 PM
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the guys at rotten and ogrish are like schoolkids daring each other to eat worms. Monday is the guy who brings a new worm dish every time you invite him over.
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post Aug 31 2006, 11:36 PM
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personally, i would say it doesn't fit the addiction flaw per se simply because a severe addiction isn't going to cost you a point of essence.

but, that's just me i guess. so long as it never hits that level, the mechanics should work fine at any rate.
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post Sep 1 2006, 01:03 AM
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While I'm good and sloshed, I'd like to have a "Y'know what, man? I love you" moment and say that I'm exceedingly happy that the SR4 hatas are actually playing a game using the system, and really trying it out.

This pleases me.

Also, mfb's technomancer has inspiring me to actually take a second and think about TM's, as opposed to ignoring them outright.
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post Sep 1 2006, 05:36 AM
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contrary to popular belief, and also contrary to my frequent venomous outbursts, i love TMs. i hate their radio brains, i'd have chosen a different name, and i wouldn't have waited for Emergence to give them some flavor, but everything else is great. it's just that the things i dislike--well, just the one thing, really--sticks in my craw somethin' fierce.

much can actually be said about the rest of SR4. there's a lot i like, but what i don't like, i really really really really really hate.
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post Sep 1 2006, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (mfb)
given the state of the world in 2070, there will doubtless be plenty of excuses for my GM to have Monday make a Will check to avoid following new article instead of doing whatever Matrix work he's supposed to be working on. or for me to have Monday fly off the handle all of the sudden because some random action by somebody is contributing in some arcane way to the continued use of landmines in third-world conflicts.

Your GM may also just say that you got sucked into a particularly amped-up simsense feed from a special on The Battle Channel live from the Ivory Coast.
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post Sep 1 2006, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ Aug 31 2006, 01:19 PM)
QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Aug 31 2006, 12:43 AM)
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Interesting point of view on the TM Frank.

I can confirm the rules aspect of the quote.
I also think that registering being free is a bug (although a bug that counters the TM weakness bug, but thats no the point). I dont like TMs with sprites that owe 100+ services . . .
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post Sep 1 2006, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ Aug 31 2006, 01:19 PM)
QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Aug 31 2006, 12:43 AM)
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Interesting point of view on the TM Frank.

I can confirm the rules aspect of the quote.
I also think that registering being free is a bug (although a bug that counters the TM weakness bug, but thats no the point). I dont like TMs with sprites that owe 100+ services . . .

I dunno, as long as my player isn't being abusive then some hell-bend-for-leather AI won't show up and hijack his sprites. ;) On that note, I am scared to speculate what exactly AI's will be able to do.

I like having my groups be the "hero" (or anti-hero) so if that means they hold better cards then 90% of their opponents then great as long as it fits into our style and helps "make the story". The evil-GM side of me loves when a team gets cocky and I have to adjust that with some unexpected Prime Runner, event or encounter. :vegm:

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