 Does DS still need two Shadowrun forums?, ..one for 4th and one for the rest.. |
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 Oct 5 2006, 11:37 PM
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Manus Celer Dei  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802  |
I know. I'm subdividing that premise and disagreeing with one part of it. I disagree with your whole premise, but that's not because I disagree with every component of it.
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Oct 5 2006, 11:49 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Fair enough. I'll await your response. :)
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Oct 6 2006, 01:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
Christ look what the cat dragged in.
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Oct 6 2006, 02:14 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
Now if we can only teach the cat to drag it back out. Unless he finds that Stock certificate he won from FASA and lets me see it. Damn cock tease. |
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Oct 6 2006, 05:09 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I've searched everything, and asked everyone I used to know in Canada about that share certificate for the AF, but it just disappeared. :( I blame American shadowrunners! :P :D |
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Oct 6 2006, 07:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I know, you told me a year or so ago. Im just not mushy like that punk Domino, so that was my hello to you. :) And Ill continue to deny running on you till I die. :)
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Oct 6 2006, 01:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
Bite me Percival. |
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Oct 6 2006, 09:33 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Admin post: further off-topic posts in this thread will result in week-long bans.
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Oct 6 2006, 10:08 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Not me ... I just got back, and I plan to be around on a permanent basis once again! ;) :D
As to the topic at hand, I just think it is a pain in the ass to have to search through both forums for basically the same types of questions. If there has to be a separation, then categories should include a general Sixth World forum, and either one Shadowrun Rules forum with those little taggy things you mentioned, or a SR4 Rules forum, and another for rules from previous editions. If these were clearly marked, and even maybe separated on the main page even by an inch or so, this would dramatically cut down on the cross-chatter. The little that remains (because it will inevitably occur to some extent no matter what solution you decide upon) should not be a large problem to deal with. I am sure there are even forumites who, if given even very limited admin powers, would perform the clean up for you in their day-to-day browsing. |
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Oct 7 2006, 04:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
And speaking of searching if we had a poll only forum then there would be less to search through.
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Oct 8 2006, 03:58 AM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
We could call it the emo forum. Truthfully though, I'd disagree. Most of the polls are relevant to the forum they're in. Plus, with Adam's idea, it'll be trivial to simply ignore all threads with the poll tag. |
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Nov 13 2006, 06:00 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
You base that on what? The roaring SR2 - SR3 debate that still rages on daily? :please:
I haven't bothered to try track exact numbers, but the SR4 forum certainly appears busier over the week than the SR forum. I suspect that's where a good deal of the traffic went, people that can't be bothered to operate on both. There is a thread a created where I asked about sources for Asian names. I had a hard time picking which forum to create it in, because there certainly appears to be a number of posters that don't even read the other forum. But, especially as the thread drifted a bit, I realized there were a number of people from the SR4 forum that would have benefited from reading it. Of course then I would have missed input form people that only bother with the SR forum, and they would have missed benefit. But despite those later drawbacks I've come to the conclusion, especially given the lower traffic in the SR forum, that the SR4 forum seems to be the logical place to put general. Hell I even see people that have little or no current interest in using SR4 rules are posting in the forum. *shrug* On a merged forum, for the occational SR3 rules question, that is pretty easy to qualify in the thread there. Surveying the SR forum such threads they seem fairly uncommon, and you actually already see SR4 rules and post Crash 2 setting information being brought up on the SR forums anyway. The world information has always been timeline dependant (both real world publishing, and game world events) so I really don't see the need for tagging on that. I know there are also technical reasons (disk/DB space) for keeping the number of forums to a minimum. Plus the logistics of sorting the posts and moving them as needed. Of course that would tend to signal a passing of the torch in the "norm" between editions. But inspite of your desire to acknowledge this happening, it is happening... |
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Nov 13 2006, 06:04 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yes, that. Despite the fact that SR2-SR3 is a much, much, much smaller change, we still see posts at a frequency that, while certainly not common, I wouldn't classify as rare from people who either regret changing to SR3 or who simply never switched in the first place.
I think you misunderstand what I mean by "cooldown". I don't mean traffic-wise, I mean flamewar-wise. ~J |
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Nov 13 2006, 06:41 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
You are right, I didn't understand that you meant that.......because that makes no sense. The separate SR4 forum has been there ever since Fanpro publicly announced their plan to release SR4, nearly 5 months before it came out at GenCon. Of course the more vocal detractors, in the face of kickass sales and people having fun with SR4, and mostly cooled their jets. But that has little to do with a split forum, especially considering that mfb and JamesSL/CD2.0 still 'post' on the SR4 forum.
And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'. I never said it was rare, but the move is on and most of the difference is just between 1 year and several. See you in seven and we'll talk. |
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Nov 13 2006, 06:46 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
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I'm out. If someone else wants to debate this question, let me know. ~J |
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Nov 13 2006, 06:48 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Anyone that thinks that it's actual support for an argument is...well you. It isn't even a point that is in debate, except perhaps to someone in denial of reality.
:rotfl: Buh-bye! |
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Nov 25 2006, 07:44 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Weighing in my vote, I would prefer one forum with tags about Rules vs World Content. If the tags would be too difficult, I'd vote for a seperation of forums based on those guidelines rather than edition.
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Nov 25 2006, 10:40 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
I think that is so dishonest. What and why do you need to hide it? It makes me ask that sort of question. I think having a separate Shadowrun forum is no longer necessary because both the SR4 forum and the Shadowrun forum are so clogged with garbage you might as well keep it all in one place. Instead of clicking mark forum read six times, I can now do it five times. |
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Nov 25 2006, 10:50 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
If it's so filled with garbage, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why you continue to return.
Oh, right, to preach at us about the error of our ways. :notworthy: :please: |
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Nov 25 2006, 11:46 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I don't think it's dishonest -- during the general course of reading the forums, I don't care when someone joined, and I don't care where they are located in the world, I don't care what little funny image they want to have next to their name, etc. I am not proposing that this stuff be removed, but, as I've already said, I've loved to see a more streamlined forum display, and the attributes I've listed do not necessarily need to be displayed next to every single post. All of this material -- and probably more -- would still be available if someone clicked on your name to view your profile. |
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Nov 26 2006, 12:05 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Besides, I think optional is a good key word there. I personally like it, Adam doesn't, and I'm sure plenty of other people have differing opinions. I'm a fan of options.
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Nov 26 2006, 03:42 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Options can be a nightmare. We still have a large number of people who refer to thread pagecounts, for example, which is totally useless information because the number of posts per page is customizable.
Not that I'd want to give that customization up, but customizability isn't free. ~J |
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Nov 26 2006, 04:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Georgia Member No.: 7,270 |
I'm for keeping them seperate, as it is there's already tons of confusion about what edition someone is talking about unless they specify In post, which many forget to do .
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Nov 26 2006, 04:08 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Funny, I was kvetching about the page count issue to the other admins earlier in the day. Do you have a bright idea for a solution? Obviously, making it easier to link to an individual post would help, I think. Any other ideas? [Aside from doing away with multiple post-counts-per-page, which wouldn't bother me, as long as it was set to 50 or 100, but I suspect not everyone would like that. ;-)] |
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Nov 26 2006, 06:08 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Individual post links can be done in both IPB and vBulletin. It may take an upgrade for it to work in IPB, but I know it's standard fare and not a mod.
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