 Does DS still need two Shadowrun forums?, ..one for 4th and one for the rest.. |
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 Nov 26 2006, 06:17 PM
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Manus Celer Dei  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802  |
Honestly, I'm not sure there is a solution—barring users becoming aware of it themselves, the only solutions I can think of are impossible (whenever someone tries referencing page count, a hand reaches out of their monitor and hits them with a rolled-up newspaper) or bad (a big red notice on every posting page saying not to reference page count).
As weird as it is to call it that, I think the pagecount issue is a social problem, and thus isn't going to be feasibly fixable via a technical solution. Well, barring forcing everyone to the same posts/page. Still, while I probably wouldn't complain if it was 100 (50 just isn't enough, IMO), that doesn't mean it would be a good solution. ~J |
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Nov 26 2006, 06:19 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
That's more or less what I think, too. I was hoping you would have a stroke of genius. LMK if you get the newspaper code to work, though!
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Nov 26 2006, 06:20 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
If I have one (newspaper-related or otherwise), I will definitely let you know.
~J |
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Nov 26 2006, 09:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 12-August 06 Member No.: 9,097 |
Why not slap a chronological post number on every reply to a thread? It'll give everyone a universal standard of reference regardless of choice of layout.
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Nov 26 2006, 09:55 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
People can already estimate it pretty easily. I don't think it'd help, and would just be another number to float around taking up real estate.
~J |
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Nov 26 2006, 10:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 12-August 06 Member No.: 9,097 |
Meh, personally I'm too lazy to do even the simple multiplication and/or addition required to make that estimate, and I can't be the only one. As for space issues, a good place to stick it on might be that little gray bar on top of a post with the date and time stamp.
Actually, I would love to have such a feature for a reason other than verbal reference: quoting. I can't even count the number of times where I've seen someone quote something from someone else and ended up spending ages trying to hunt down the quoted post. If post-tracking is implemented and linked to the quoting feature, that would definitely alleviate a major source of headaches for me. |
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Nov 26 2006, 11:55 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Second that. I don't think that it's hard slap into into the date in the header of a post and it would make refering easier. |
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Nov 27 2006, 06:09 AM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Such a number already exists in the system. Grinder's post above this one for example is topic 14727, entry 475478. You can see the whenever you do searches by Post rather than by thread or clicking on the threads from the main page.
Implementing that into the bar since it already exists, should be a simple reference to topic/entry...though I don't have much practical experience in programming forums, so i don't know how hard it would be. |
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Nov 27 2006, 06:23 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
As I said upthread, it's an option in IPB. It's working in the forum I co-administrate, in fact. No extra code, it just works. |
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Nov 27 2006, 11:44 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
What version of IPB do you have over there? If it's newer than v1.2, it may be a recently added feature. |
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Nov 27 2006, 05:29 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
v1.3, so quite possibly.
Perhaps uploading a test 1.3 version with this skin to see if anything breaks might be in order? Hell, even upgrading period, as it'd fix some bugs and quite possibly any exploits IPB may have out there. |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:02 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
The fish-colored man has caught t3h corr3ct. |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:24 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
The only problem I see is setting/universe threads posted to the 4th edition forum. Many people avoid the 4th forum so threads posted there about setting/universe get overlooked by many. There is not too much 4th edition material about the setting/universe, especially compared to all the previously printed material.
I dislike the idea of merging the forums more than I dislike the idea of creating another forum. So I would combine previous editions with setting/universe threads. Most of the people resisting 4th edition are there and they are also the ones who are more likely to know more background information. I suggest a 4th Edition forum and a Previous Editions & Setting/Universe forum. |
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Jan 3 2007, 12:51 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I haven't read the whole thread, so this idea is probably outdated by discussion of tags or whatnot, but my vote was to keep them seperate but change how it's rganized. I think SR4 should become the general forum, since it's the most current version of the game. General questions about setting would then fit better in there, leaving the SR3 forum for SR3 only questions (primarily rules related, since almost anything else would be "general").
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Jan 3 2007, 08:13 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
I want nothing at all to do with 4th edition anymore. I voted a complete seperation. I'd actually prefer to see the Shadowrun forum be changed to Shadowrun 3rd (or SR3) since it's not clear that the 2 forums are seperated really.
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Jan 3 2007, 02:33 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Doing that would probably result in a lot of duplicatedt hreads, because non-rules discussions fit both categories.
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Jan 3 2007, 02:50 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
This is in part because many of those posters are stupid, and I feel no pity that they don't get their questions answered because they can't put them in the appropriate forum. It's like people who can't put appropriate thread titles. For people thinking about making an SR3 forum, keep in mind that our current Shadowrun forum does not address only SR3, but also SR2 and SR1, both of which still have players in this forum. |
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Jan 3 2007, 03:03 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I whole-heartedly disagree, but we've had this discussion before. ~J |
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Jan 3 2007, 03:33 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
The thing is though, if you're a new player to SR4, the logical place for you to place any setting questions is the SR4 boards. Heck, if you're a convert from nWoD you may even think that the two games have vastly different settings. I'm not sure why, other than that it makes you feel superior, you would call those people stupid. I think that not realizing why some very obvious actions are taken is the stupid thing. I know it's odd to think that SR4 players might post questions in an SR4 forum. :please:
What? Are you saying that SR3 and SR4 don't have the same setting and history (up until the point where SR3 rolls over and dies so SR4 can step up of course)? Perhaps you think that someone wanting to know about horrors / organized crime / immortal elves / dragons / whatever must specify which ruleset they want before they can ask about fluff? |
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Jan 3 2007, 03:40 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'm saying that yes, they don't have the same setting. The history is only the same up until 2064-5, at which point a significant amount of things happen to render meaningful portions of the prior history irrelevant.
~J |
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Jan 3 2007, 04:04 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Render prior history irrelevant? I don't recall anything in the SR4 book saying, "and oh yeah, such and such didn't happen." Do you mean "change things so that it's the present instead of the past"? If so then of course that happens.
So let's say I'm a new player to SR and have a question about Immortal Elves. Where would you propose I ask it? It seems pretty obvious that an SR4 player should go to the SR4 forum. But that's the wrong answer, because of how the place is currently set up. |
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Jan 3 2007, 07:20 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
If you are truly absolutely new to SR4 it's one thing. You're (the poster) is wrong, but it's understandable. But I've seen posters here who have been here for six months and have some understanding of the differences between the two forums who still post exclusively in SR4. It's like people who write "cannon" instead of "canon", even though people tell them how it's spelled and everyone around them uses it correctly. You come to the point where it's simply the poster's fault for not educating himself as to how things are done. I do feel, however, that the forums should be named better. As you pointed out, a brand new person could come in and think that questions about IEs fit best in the SR4 forum because he's playing SR4, without realizing that SR4 (and the forum like it) is a subset of all of the Shadowrun universe. As such, he'd probably not get a lot of answers. |
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Jan 4 2007, 08:39 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
I think the problem, and the reason for no change, is that we'd have to archive everything here, creating another jives, and start over from scratch.
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Jan 4 2007, 09:40 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't see why. The Powers-That-Be don't seem to have had a problem rearranging and renaming Forums within the current structure up till now. |
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Jan 4 2007, 03:45 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Because alot of the threads under the forums would belong elsewhere. Either admining the whole forum to move threads (nobody's getting paid so I don't see that kinda work happening), or archiving and starting over. Ie: if you create a 'theme/background' and a 'rules' with subcategories for the edition differences, there wouldn't be a place to just move the current Shadowrun forums under.
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