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Wounded Ronin
post Oct 3 2006, 05:17 AM
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Today, I feel like quoting from a Vietnam War memoir, "Green Knight, Red Mourning," by Richard Ogden, to demonstrate how for a role playing game hideous firearms-related gore is realistic and therefore necessary. After all, how can the players really think about their in-character character reactions if they don't have visceral imagery to react to? The abstract concept of getting shot and killed is something we're all desensitized to but perhaps the only way to get people to really play the role of someone in a violent and stressful situation is to give them a vivid, realistic tableau of the mangling and destruction of a firefight.

Even though pistol knocback is supposed to be nothing more than a nervous reaction, here's an account of knockback (into the air, apparently!) from 7.62 NATO rounds:

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The Vietcong left the temporary cover of the junkyard and ran for their lives out across the open sand.  They ran one behind the other, entrants from the same country, one running for the gold medal and one for the silver in the one hundred meters.  They were coming into the last stretch and heading for the tape, two men running for their lives.  They could have made a new world's record.  A strange remorsefulness came over me as I watched their final seconds.  Even with all that effort, there was no way in hell they were going to make it.  M-60s cut loose a thousand yards away, and the first burst was miraculously on target.  The tracer rounds burned through them and streaked off into the darkness.  The impact of the bodies in full stride seemed like slow motion.  The bodies flew end over end, seven or eight feet into the air.  They plunged to the ground and plowed through the sand like wiped-out downhill racers through the snow, and then came to rest.

-pg 235

Apparently, even a pistol shot can spray you with brains:

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The professor went with the patrol that was sent out to find bodies and weapons.  To their astonishment and discontent, they found no bodies.  The professor did find a Thompson submachine gun that was overlooked in the dar.  Third platoon had two enemy kills and the bodies to prove it.  One of their "kills" was found at dawn wandering around close to the perimeter.  he was shot in the gut, and he held what he could inside with his hands while he dragged the escaped intestines behind him in the sand.  As the Vietcong soldier shuffled his feet forward in the sand, the second platoon commander stepped behind him and drew his forty-five.  He placed it at the back of his head and pulled the trigger.  It was a mistake he was never likely to forget.  He did the man a kindness, but in the process he blew flecks of flesh, blood, and brain all over himself.
-pg 239

SOURCE:

Ogden, Richard E. "Green Knight, Red Mourning". Pinnacle Books, October 2002.
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- Wounded Ronin   You need gore in your games   Oct 3 2006, 05:17 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   "[...] seven or eight feet into the air....   Oct 3 2006, 05:36 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) "[...] seven or e...   Oct 3 2006, 05:43 AM
- - SL James   I think I've seen this movie.   Oct 3 2006, 05:46 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Anyway, the author of "And A Hard Rain ...   Oct 3 2006, 06:10 AM
- - Inu   I would SERIOUSLY doubt any report of machingun bu...   Oct 3 2006, 09:27 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Ah, Mythbusters. Nothing like using a pig corpse t...   Oct 3 2006, 09:36 AM
- - Slump   QUOTE (Inu) (So a word of warning to those runners...   Oct 3 2006, 10:03 AM
- - Critias   Mythbusters is a neat show, as long as people reme...   Oct 3 2006, 10:51 AM
- - eidolon   It's like "science meets that crazy kid t...   Oct 3 2006, 03:16 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Ah, Mythbusters. Nothing like u...   Oct 3 2006, 04:00 PM
- - Kagetenshi   If they were running downhill I could see a specta...   Oct 3 2006, 04:23 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   If the account did not only mention bursts and tra...   Oct 3 2006, 05:04 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (hobgoblin) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Oct 3 2...   Oct 3 2006, 06:52 PM
- - Butterblume   There was a lot of (Al) Gore in Futurama . But, s...   Oct 3 2006, 07:30 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...I have a series of medical journal articles whi...   Oct 3 2006, 08:12 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   I've pimped Ogrish.Com here before -- they...   Oct 3 2006, 08:36 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) If the account did not...   Oct 3 2006, 08:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (knasser) QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Oct 3 2006...   Oct 3 2006, 09:02 PM
- - Shrike30   There's a vast difference between knowing some...   Oct 3 2006, 09:13 PM
- - Kagetenshi   No, there isn't. There may be a difference bet...   Oct 3 2006, 09:28 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE Anyway, the author of ...   Oct 3 2006, 09:59 PM
- - Inu   QUOTE (Slump) QUOTE (Inu @ Oct 3 2006, 04:27 ...   Oct 4 2006, 12:19 PM
- - Inu   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)Ah, Mythbusters. Nothing like us...   Oct 4 2006, 12:22 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Inu)That said, the bullet lodged in his spi...   Oct 4 2006, 02:05 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Inu) Unfortunately, blood is actually kinda...   Oct 4 2006, 02:19 PM
- - nezumi   The one thing shooting dummies and pigs does not a...   Oct 4 2006, 02:23 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   There are quite a few videos of live humans shot t...   Oct 4 2006, 03:55 PM
- - mfb   i've heard similar anecdotes. if i had to be s...   Oct 4 2006, 04:10 PM
- - Kagetenshi   "Seven or eight feet" is also vague. On ...   Oct 4 2006, 04:18 PM
- - mfb   yeah, that's what i was thinking. who knows, ...   Oct 4 2006, 04:22 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   One thing that would skew my statistics is that mo...   Oct 4 2006, 04:22 PM
- - mfb   well... back when i was young and stupid, i tried ...   Oct 4 2006, 04:27 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (mfb) well... back when i was young and stup...   Oct 4 2006, 04:38 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Critias @ Oct 4 2006, 11:38 AM) QUOTE ...   Oct 4 2006, 04:46 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) No, there isn't. There may ...   Oct 4 2006, 05:04 PM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Critias @ Oct 4 200...   Oct 4 2006, 05:12 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Shrike30) That's kind of what I was get...   Oct 4 2006, 05:14 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Medical shock (this kind) can't really explain...   Oct 4 2006, 05:16 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Hm. Have there been any studies on the "holly...   Oct 4 2006, 05:21 PM
- - Butterblume   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)QUOTE (Inu @ Oct 4 2006, 07...   Oct 4 2006, 05:55 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Hm. Have there been any studies...   Oct 4 2006, 05:58 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Nah, that's not what I'm saying. We need o...   Oct 4 2006, 06:12 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Do people generally fall down when shot wit...   Oct 4 2006, 06:27 PM
- - Dog   Eyewitness accounts by people in very stressful si...   Oct 16 2006, 03:37 AM
- - hobgoblin   i think that have been stated atleast 5 times so f...   Oct 16 2006, 10:43 AM
- - Dog   Sorry, should've added "I agree that......   Oct 16 2006, 02:06 PM

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