 How do you role play military people?, HOW DO ROLE PLAY!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! |
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 Oct 17 2006, 01:44 PM
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Freelance Elf  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714  |
"The mean man who I was in the temporary employ of said nasty things to me louder than my mommy does when I'm getting a time out, so I'm going to play and replay that single occurence in my mind over and over again until I convince myself -- and then move on to convince everyone else -- that everyone in the military is a screaming neanderthal! But everything will be okay, and I'll be able to sleep at night, because I know that me crying to my daddy about cut someone's military career short, or at least has left a black mark on their record."
Sorry, dude, but that's just how I see Story Time With KindVixen going right now. *shrugs* Like it better now that I'm being up front, instead of sarcastic? |
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Oct 17 2006, 02:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
In my, admittedly short, military experience I have learned that officers don't yell at you unless you really fuck something up. That is what NCOs are for. Officers tell the NCOs what needs to be done and leave it up to them to figure it out.
Not saying KV cut a limb and it dropped on the guys car or something, hell the guy could have been having a bad day and she? could have been in the wrong placed at the wrong time. EDIT- Out of curiosity, KindVixen, what specific branch are you talking about? Your use of the terms "drill officer" and "drill instructor" leads me to believe Air Force because that's what my sister and friends in the Air Force call them. We in the Army call them Drill Sergants, not sure bout Navy or Marines. EDIT 2-I misremembered Air Force calls them Training Instructors according to my Sis. |
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Oct 17 2006, 03:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
In my experience, most of the yelling happens in recruit training.
There are many reasons for this. Tradition, because it has always been this way. To cause a break between the recruit's civilian life and his military life. To cause the recruits to band together, to support each other in the face of adversity (the Drill Intructors). To get the recruits to follow orders immediately, as a reflex. This is to save lives. Once recruit training is over, things calm down a lot. Because your life depends on your mates actions/support/etc.., you back them up, as they back you up. Even if you don't particularly like them. You take care of your own. If out of combat, once the incident is over (bar brawl, etc..), if you feel they were wrong, then you take it up with them, from talking to blanket parties to etc... My two cents worth: If you are playing a military background, he will probably want to train with his team, to know what they will do / react, so that he doesn't have to think about it in combat. He knows what they will do. You take care of your people, from support to discipline. Especially special forces, you don't need to prove anything to anyone, you know what you can do. |
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Oct 17 2006, 03:40 PM
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Jacked In, Up & Out Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 232 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oceanside, CA Member No.: 95 |
Marines call them Drill Instructor |
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Oct 17 2006, 04:38 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
my mistake, then. they remember it quite clearly as "the day that damn civvie flipped out for no reason at all and got CPT Whoever in trouble". |
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Oct 17 2006, 09:48 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
That's good to know. No character drama in the middle of the firefight. It's worth mentioning because I've seen that kind of thing to down in general in SR games, where one character is mad at another character for something and they start doing their in character drama while bullets are whizzing around. I mean, in real life, that probably wouldn't be realistic anyway whether or not you have a military background, but it's worth mentioning because I've seen it happen sometimes in games. |
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Oct 17 2006, 09:52 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
An excellent point, and something I try to enforce as much as possible in my games. Even two first day on the job goons with guns won't try to debate their preferred beers in the middle of trying not to get shot.
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Oct 17 2006, 09:58 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Actually, and in all honesty, I'd probably think that it was the funniest thing in the world. I've had worse things happen to me and they just didn't bother me that much. I've been mugged in New York City as a middle schooler and while it was somewhat traumatic at the time I think it pissed off my parents more than it pissed me off. When I was a grad student in New Orleans I had two incidents where someone tried to intimidate me on the street, which in my mind is more serious than someone just coming and yelling at me. In both cases the person left after I wasn't intimidated. In one of the cases I actually started moving closer to the guy in order to assault him and he ran away. I was mildly angry at the time but overall I remember the episodes as being humorous episodes, especially since the people in question basically retreated once I failed to be an abject coward. So, yeah...if some military-looking guy with big muscles and a crew cut (since I don't know enough about the military to make a more sophisticated identification) ran up to me on the street and randomly started yelling at me, I'd wonder if he was on crack or really drunk or something. I'd probably just ignore him and continue on my way and then tell my friends about the military nutcase who ran up to me and started screaming over beers or something. EDIT: Actually, I do have one episode in my life where I was on a base and a military guy was a little bit mean to me, and my reaction *was* humor. In order to have an easy time with the paperwork for my Peace Corps physical I went to Nellis Air Force Base in Las Vegas to get all my shots and my physical from the military hospital there since doing this would eliminate the need for me to do additional billing and reimbursement related paperwork. All the staff and military personnel were extremely kind and helpful except for one man; the guy at the gate. He had sergant's stripes (which I recognized from playing lots of America's Army) but he was guarding the gate, so a friend of mine who used to be an Air Force lieutenant later told me that he was probably being disciplined for something and hence was probably in a bad mood. Anyway, something was out of order with my dad's vehicle registration and the sergant told us that he couldn't drive on the base. I shrugged and just walked across the base to the hospital. The sergant wasn't rude or anything, and you could say he was just doing his job, although you could also argue that the vehicle registration issue was minor, but in the end it just wasn't that big of a deal. I walked for a while and did what I needed to do and then walked out. My reaction was to later on tell this story to the aforementioned former Air Force lieutenant as a funny story. So, yeah...my reaction appears to be humor. |
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Oct 17 2006, 10:02 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Well, right there you'd know he wasn't MI. ;) (Yeah yeah, some MI guys are hooah and work out...some. We call them hardcores, and not in a loving tone. :D) |
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Oct 18 2006, 12:13 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Fragging/friendly fire. Drama probably doesn't start during firefights, but it's certainly ended during them. ~J |
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Oct 18 2006, 03:29 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
The last fraggings I know of were hardly during a firefight, and were motivated by quite a bit more than "that guy peed in my cheerios".
As far as friendly fire, the last few that I've been aware of (that made it into the open) were simple combat accidents. (I say that made it into the open, because the Tillman case is a glaring example of one we the public don't really know the causes of.) |
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Oct 18 2006, 03:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
When I said "friendly fire" I didn't mean the accidental kind, I was acknowledging fragging that didn't use grenades. That said, you're right that it isn't always (or even usually) during a firefight.
~J |
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Oct 18 2006, 03:41 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Ah, gotcha.
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Oct 18 2006, 06:29 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
speaking of fragging, there are a lot of ramifications to whole idea of military standards. there are very clear rules and regs in place to handle almost any situation--and it's an unspoken part of a soldier's job to make sure those rules and regs appear to have been followed. the key word there is "appear". that means that when a problem comes up, the first thing you do is to try to handle it without pulling the rules and regs into it. if two soldiers get into a fistfight, you send someone in to mediate and make sure the fight doesn't flare up again. if punishment is due, the NCOs in charge of those soldiers generally handle it off the books if possible. only after every other recourse has been exhausted does anything official happen.
this works the other way, too. we had a 1LT in our unit who kept calling on our commo section for bullshit little stuff, like yanking us off our current tasks to mow the HQ yard. he called me in to change the font on his computer's Word program, and i wiped the fucker's hard drive while he was out of the office. i blamed it on the fact that he'd downloaded AIM and MSN Messenger--made up some crap about how he must have gotten a virus. sorry, sir, nothing i can do. the LT bitched at my section sergeant, of course, but he got the message when my section sergeant gave me the rest of the day off. that LT didn't fuck around with commo after that. nice, neat, and off the record, just the way everybody likes it. |
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Oct 18 2006, 02:05 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Ugh. I wish the MI community still handled stuff that way. As a whole, MI has gone completely corporate, to the point that they whip out the books for everything. You couldn't even drop a punk for mouthing off in my last office. Verbal counseling, first written counseling, second written counseling, recommendation for UCMJ action. Pathetic.
(Should note that I was strategic.) |
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Oct 18 2006, 03:33 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
yeah, the higher up you go, the more frequently you have to do things by the book.
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Oct 18 2006, 09:07 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: 30-June 06 Member No.: 8,813 |
Speaking from experience....the only time there is any "Automatons" yelling at each other is in a specific training environment like Basic Training, Airborne Training, Ranger Training, BUDS, SERE, SWIC, or other schools where rank is more or less meaningless (officers and enlisted together, equal, in the same training class) and the goal of the school is disciplinary in nature. By that I mean, the purpose of the school is to instill discipline in the trainee with regard to specific military related skills. Take SERE school for instance. SERE = Survival Evade Resistance Escape. This training course is required for all military personnel who have high risk of being trapped behind enemy lines like special forces and pilots. Cadre, during the resistance and escape phases of the school test a students metle in many ways, all of them designed to over stress the student so they can disover their own breaking point. Yelling? Yep...you bet. Mental abuse? Sleep deprivation? Yep....you bet. But what you describe is NOT the day to day culture in the military....at least not in the Army. Marines I'm sure are a little tougher, but in the Army, Combat Support and Service Support MOS's are basically a 9AM - 5PM job, with an extra 1.5 hours of PT thrown each day in the mornings from 6:30AM -8AM, unless your unit is deployed to the field for Field Training, a JRTC (Joint Readiness Training), or a combat deployment. Day to Day for a Combat Arms job is similar, but their Field Training occurs alot more frequently and their situational exercises deal alot more with putting a round in a target and other supporting activities (MOUT Operations, Airborne Operations, Air Assault Operations, etc.) When a soldier fucks up....and is on the carpet in front of the 1st Sergeant getting his ass chewed....yeah, there's the potential for yelling. When yer doing drill and ceremony on the parade grounds, yep...commands are "barked". However, yelling in the day to day course of business is unecessary unless its warranted for some reason. Military training isn't brainwashing per se....though if a recruit is already extremely suseptable to suggestion, its possible for them REALLY loose their identity in their training. I never forgot who I was, where I came from, my likes, my dislikes, or my view of self. I became more disciplined.....self disciplined.....and realized that i really could do more than I thought I could in alot of areas.....endurance, both physical AND mental. I gained the ability to laugh in the face of adversity, put my needs or wants to the side and work within a group to accomplish something greater than what i could do on my own. There is a social reconditioning that takes place when you are in that kind of envrionment for 4 years or more. There are customs and coutesies that must be adhered to. There are expectations for behavior. But I don't think these things take away from one's identity or character. In my opinion, they add to it. Just my perspective. |
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Oct 18 2006, 09:35 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Damn fine writeup Cleremond.
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Oct 18 2006, 09:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
I won't get tired of these stories in the near future ;).
Just in case it isn't general knowledge, the german Baron von Steuben reputedly introduced the art of yelling at people in the US army. |
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Oct 18 2006, 09:47 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Actually, he was instrumental in the formalizing of the way we fought at the time. He introduced the concept of Drill and Ceremony, which was in the beginning both a training tool and an method of instilling discipline in the troops.
Today, D&C is used more for ceremony, and still functions as a tool to reinforce troop discipline. So not yelling, per se, but you're not far off. ;) |
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Oct 19 2006, 01:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: 30-June 06 Member No.: 8,813 |
Hey thanks man. I appreciate it. :) |
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Oct 19 2006, 06:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: 30-June 06 Member No.: 8,813 |
Hehe....I missed this post earlier. Man....I've got alot of stories that begin that way. I remember at Ft. Bragg, I was assigned to one of the aviation units and about 13 of us went out to celebrate after we received a "Commendable" rating on one of our ARMS (Aviation Resource Management) inspections. We went to this one club and one of my buddies started hitting on this one fairly hot chick who was already sortta up for grabs between these four Force Recon Marines that were there at Bragg TDY from Cherry Point for some joint excercise that was going on. Well, he was drunk, my buddy that is......we all were, and before you knew it a fight broke out between this Marine and my buddy. Another buddy of mine jumped in which gave the green light to that Marine's three buds to jump into too. Before you knew it, it was four Force Recon Marines against thirteen Army aviation guys with alot of other folks getting drawn in for good measure......and guess what....... They whipped our asses. I jumped into the fray about 45 seconds into the fight...I hit one of the marines REAL hard only to have the guy smile at me, then I took two hits (one to the face, one to the gut) and before I knew it was thown into a corner. I decided to just sit back after that, nurse my bloody lip, and watch the rest of the fight unfold. It was a massacre. These four dudes had clearly been fighting together as a team for a while and they just mopped the floor with everyone. It was, quite literally, like watching a brawl in an action movie. MP's finally got there, broke it all up and took three of my buddies, two of the marines in, and like five or six other patrons that had got drawn into the brawl. I think the bill was like $5700 in damage done to the place. I'll never forget it. Fun stuff! :D |
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Oct 20 2006, 02:48 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Okay, show of hands, who's in the military?
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Oct 20 2006, 03:13 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Is? Or was?
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Oct 20 2006, 04:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
Both, I suppose. I am military, and have yet to get into a drunken bar brawl they always seem to happen when I decide to skip going. Guess I'm just likeable, because I'm definately not intimadating.
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