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> cyber coils?, ala the constrictor or omega red
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post Oct 16 2006, 01:34 PM
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a buddy and I were going over cyber possibilities, when i came upon the "magic" rope in sr4.

i know the overall strength of this stuff isn't supposed to be that high, but i was wondering how well it would work if strengthened and coiled inside of cyber arms.

what do you think the maximum reach (in feet/meters) of these would be? of course, Constrictor and Omega Red are comic book characters, and thus not limited by gaming rules, so their ability to have ten meters of carbandium coils coming out of their suit/arms is a bit much.

also, what about strength? i think they should have at least the strength of the character, regardless of the fluff on the material. but i'd like to hear your ideas.

lastly, what potential game mechanic advantages do you foresee in having these coils?



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post Oct 16 2006, 01:49 PM
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For those of us that aren't familiar with the characters, care to provide some more details?
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post Oct 16 2006, 01:51 PM
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He's talking about a prehensile, retractable cyber-tentacle in a cyberlimb.
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post Oct 16 2006, 02:10 PM
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Through in a catgirl and school children driving mechas and I'd say it's definitely good.

I'd tend to move away from using magic to power cyber. Look up a real world example (and there are some stuff on artificial muscles that could be used here.)
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post Oct 16 2006, 02:25 PM
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Wikipedia is your friend.
Omega Red and Contrictor

Heck, this would also probably apply to Doc Ock in terms of the ahem... tentacles. Oh and Scorpion too, though his is connected to his arse... yeah... :wobble:
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post Oct 16 2006, 02:32 PM
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I've considered this idea before, too, but since I've never had a player go for it, or a terribly good reason to put it in an NPC, I've never nailed down stats.
In terms of lifting things I doubt they'd be all that strong, but in terms of pulling or supporting weight I think they'd be very strong. Of course, if you made them thicker they could be stronger, but how much rope can you fit in an arm, really? Maybe say str 1 for a 3-meter version, str 2 for a 2 meter, and str 3 for a 1-meter?
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post Oct 16 2006, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (nezumi)
I'd tend to move away from using magic to power cyber. Look up a real world example (and there are some stuff on artificial muscles that could be used here.)

i assume he's talking about myomeric rope, found on page 329 of the BBB.

as far as how to represent it, i would say get yourself a storage compartment, skinlink the rope, and treat it like the BBB says... can't pick up large objects, can't restrain people (though you could potentially tie them up, which *would* restrain them), and you have the basic concept.

for thicker, stronger versions, you would simply be able to hold less length in the storage compartment. personally, i would allow multiple ropes to work together, or even the same rope could double up i suppose.
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post Oct 16 2006, 03:48 PM
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Right. So how much rope fits in a storage compartment?
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post Oct 16 2006, 05:08 PM
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thanks moon-hawk, jaid, and PBTHHHHT. :)


yeah, i am talking about myomeric rope, but it was early and my spelling was not up to scratch.

while reading the replies, i also remembered Burnout from the Dragon Heart Trilogy. He actually had something quite like this. He had something akin to what Jaid suggested, with multiple small ropes coming out from beneath his flipped back (ewwww) fingers. how strong were his?

what about costs? I don't think it'd be more essence draining, but nuyen wise?
and what if we did increase the essence cost for stronger versions? though i can't think of a really good reason to, besides game balance.

thanks for the feedback everyone.




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post Oct 16 2006, 05:42 PM
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Depending on how strong you made the rope, you may want to insist that they have a cybertorso, the same way that they do for cyberlimbs with enhancements about rating 3.
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post Oct 17 2006, 07:52 PM
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i had thought of this, but how would storage in a cyber torso work?
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post Oct 17 2006, 08:00 PM
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I wasn't thinking of storing the cyber-rope in the torso, just that you would need a cyber-torso to handle the extra pull from the rope. Like you need a cyber-torso to handle cyber-limbs with better than rating 3 enhancements. Otherwise, I can see the limb with the cyber-rope being pulled off the body, or some other equally drastic result.
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post Oct 17 2006, 11:26 PM
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if you're gonna go that far, they'd need cyberlegs too... probably easier to just do like dock ock... two go to the ground for support purposes, the other two reach from the same thing to grab stuff.

speaking of which, if you aren't too worried about concealing them, they don't even have to be in cyber storage compartments... you could always just keep them in a backpack, which you harness yourself to, in the style of doctor octopus...
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post Oct 18 2006, 01:02 AM
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Just to cause trouble:

Put a Flyspy drone in a storage compartment, but tether it to ten meters of monowire. Use direct neural interface to have the Flyspy zip about slicing heads off.
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post Oct 18 2006, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (Zen Shooter01)
Just to cause trouble:

Put a Flyspy drone in a storage compartment, but tether it to ten meters of monowire. Use direct neural interface to have the Flyspy zip about slicing heads off.

And thus, a new weapon was added to the Shadowrun arsenal:

GENTLEMEN!
BEHOLD!
The Automatic Monowhip!
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post Oct 18 2006, 01:16 PM
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:eek:

nice.
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post Oct 18 2006, 03:33 PM
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Great says FOURstring the samurai... Much helps much, even with automatic monowhips ;)

Getting normal coils of wire to work would not take much effort, and you can store many meters without problem. The controlable wire should take much more space, and IŽd allow only one or two meters inside a cyberarm.
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post Oct 18 2006, 04:16 PM
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You would also need a really fast drone to work it properly. If the drone wasn't fast enough, you wouldn't be able to do serious damage to the target, if any damage.

And you would be in a real world of hurt if someone hacked your drone.
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