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Large Mike
post Oct 22 2003, 11:00 PM
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So, I was wandering AH's site and came across two bits of info that seem to connect...

The first is from AHs description of All-Wing

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Also against tradition, her remains were not reduced to ash by dragonsbreath. Rather, her body was scattered...


This seems to set a precedent towards dragon funeral rites (sort of).

This next quote is from the will.

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To the party who finds the bones of the dragon skeleton for which I possess the head, I offer two options. You may keep the bones, or turn them over to the Draco Foundation for a reward. All discoveries must be independently verified as dragon bones, such identification to be made by any living dragon. The Draco Foundation will assemble all pieces of the skeleton it receives and display the result in the Smithsonian Institution for the edification of the general public. My admittedly incomplete research indicates the following coordinates as likely locations for dragon bones: Latitude 41°, Longitude 121°; Latitude 41° 50n, Longitude 87° 45w; Latitude 47° 21n, Longitude 122° 12w; Latitude 19° 24n, Longitude 99° 9w; Latitude 65°, Longitude 130°; Latitude 39° 44n, Longitude 104° 59w


So, we have an undestroyed and scattered dragon body, that any dragon would be able to identify.

My thoughts are that if your GM sends you after these, you have more leverage in negotiations.

Your thoughts?
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Street Wyze
post Oct 22 2003, 11:30 PM
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I think it would be pretty sweet to build a series of runs out of this.
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Large Mike
post Oct 22 2003, 11:47 PM
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Perhaps I should have kept this one to myself...
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post Oct 22 2003, 11:59 PM
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I looked up the coordinates and they are scattered all over Eastern Asia. Sounds like a heck of a campaign.
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post Oct 23 2003, 12:01 AM
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The coordinates are actually spread out across Western North Am (with one notable exception), I know a lot of people read them wrong because the notation is unusual. Originally I thought I had it wrong but I tracked them down to a couple hundred meters and the spots are just make too much sense in an SR context to be wrong. When the Annotated Will goes up people are in for a whole lot of surprises.
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post Oct 23 2003, 12:12 AM
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Synner, did you go to school to learn Teaser-Fu like that?
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post Oct 23 2003, 12:19 AM
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Sheeesh, I was actually trying to be helpful. From what I've seen a lot of people got the coordinates wrong including Ancient (yes, and now the world is going to end). I don't mean to be mean but I had a hell of a job working out the information myself and I'm a firm believer in making people sweat for the juicy info. Finally I'm not yet absolutely sure I got it right.

Regardless, here's a hard one for free:
Latitude 47° 21n, Longitude 122° 12w, according to my research, is in or around Lake Clark in the Kent neighborhood of Renton (Seattle Metroplex).
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Large Mike
post Oct 23 2003, 12:31 AM
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Synner, I will kill if you can tell me the locations. Privately, please, as my players read the boards, and I *really* want to use this once they get enough Karma. Please? I'll give you a cookie. And sexual favors. And so on.
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post Oct 23 2003, 12:32 AM
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Part of the problem is that except for the Prime Meridian (0 degrees longitude), 180 longitude (international date line) and the equator, you need to annotate N/S and E/W for every cooridinate. So when there isn't one given, you have two possible locations, when two are missing, you have four.

Anybody got a good website to look these up on?
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post Oct 23 2003, 12:35 AM
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Terraserver Latitude 47° 21n, Longitude 122° 12w Kent, Renton

Terraserver Latitude 41°, Longitude 121° Hestaby's Northern Cresent

Terraserver Latitude 41° 50n, Longitude 87° 45w Cicero, Bug City

Terraserver Latitude 39° 44n, Longitude 104° 59w Denver

(Latitude 19° 24n, Longitude 99° 9w) and (Latitude 65°, Longitude 130°) are not in Terraserver's database.
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post Oct 23 2003, 12:54 AM
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Okay, Kanada since you've gone to all that work (btw- thanks for cross-checking):

Latitude 19° 24n, Longitude 99° 9w – Technoctitlan, Aztlan
Latitude 65°, Longitude 130° - the Mackenzie River just as it crosses into the TransPolar Aleut nation.

Seville - Actually in the English system no notation means E or N respectively as defaults.
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post Oct 23 2003, 01:04 AM
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What site is this?
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post Oct 23 2003, 01:14 AM
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What site is which?

Terraserver is one of Microsofts little project.

The annotated will should show up on the The Official Site at some point.

Ancient History's site of annotated everything.

I have no idea where Synner found his stuff, but thanks Synner.

And you are on Dumpshock currently. ;)
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post Oct 23 2003, 01:23 AM
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:) Thanks, I did not know that.
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post Oct 23 2003, 01:57 AM
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I whipped up some maps using xplanet last time this topic came up. Lemme see if I can remember where I put them...

Assuming that they're all N/W coordinates... #5 is the only one I can't place in relation to anything significant in Shadowrun. Using S or E where they're not specified will put #3 and #5 either in the southern ocean or the middle of nowhere in Siberia.
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post Oct 23 2003, 02:00 AM
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I eagerly await the Annotated Will. The co-ordinates have been a matter of much debate, though I'm pleased that they are, as I suspected, all mostly in and around North America.

As for the skeleton itself, it might be. It doesn't specifically mention a great dragon...but, i'll put it in the November Update witht he DotSW stuff (6 months are up!)
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post Oct 23 2003, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE (Kanada Ten)
What site is which?

Terraserver is one of Microsofts little project.

The annotated will should show up on the The Official Site at some point.

Ancient History's site of annotated everything.

I have no idea where Synner found his stuff, but thanks Synner.

And you are on Dumpshock currently. ;)

I guess my question was a bit vague. :wobble: It was the Ancient History site that I was wondering about. Thanks!

The link for the "Official Site" didn't work for me. I also tried typing it as www.srrpg.com, but that didn't work either. Are you talking about the official SR site (www.shadowrunrpg.com)?

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post Oct 23 2003, 02:30 AM
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Fixed, and WWW.SRRPG.COM should work.
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post Oct 23 2003, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Oct 23 2003, 01:14 AM)
I have no idea where Synner found his stuff, but thanks Synner. 

I found it the old-fashioned way while working on the Annotated Will. A particularly detailed Atlas and a couple of city maps off the net and my old Geography lessons.

John Campbell - Standard english default cartographic notations are East first, North second (and West only when so noted). A good mnemonic when reading Latitude/Longitude on a grid is "in the house (left to right) up the stairs (bottom to top)". As far as I can see you've got them all right on your map.
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post Oct 23 2003, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Synner)
I found it the old-fashioned way...

ouch. :)

Try this.

BTW, for anyone looking to flesh out the Siberia one, it looks like it is in the Verkhoyansk Mountains, just east of the Lena River straight north of the city of Yakutsk in the Yakutia Province. Add some flavor with old mining camps and gulag prisons.
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post Oct 23 2003, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (Game2BHappy @ Oct 23 2003, 03:26 PM)
ouch.
QUOTE (Synner @ Oct 23 2003, 04:27 AM)
I found it the old-fashioned way...


The reason I used the old-fashioned way is because a lot of the web systems don't allow for inverting the Latitude (West instead of the default East) which this exercise requires.

What Siberian site btw? Kanada's refs match mine and the six I got were:

Latitude 47° 21n, Longitude 122° 12w - Renton, Seattle Metroplex
Latitude 41°, Longitude 121° - Northern Cresent, CFS/Tir
Latitude 41° 50n, Longitude 87° 45w - Chicago, UCAS
Latitude 39° 44n, Longitude 104° 59w Denver, FRFZ
Latitude 19° 24n, Longitude 99° 9w – Technoctitlan, Aztlan
Latitude 65°, Longitude 130° - Mackenzie River, TransPolar Aleut nation.
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post Oct 23 2003, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (Synner)
The reason I used the old-fashioned way is because a lot of the web systems don't allow for inverting the Latitude (West instead of the default East) which this exercise requires.

What Siberian site btw?

I'll pre-apologize since its a bit of a nitpick, but your interpretation of a Latitude and Longitude without N,S,W, or E is not the only one.

Without directional notation, North and East are positive and South and West are negative.... which would place #5 in Siberia.

This is the same method you can use to enter the coordinates into the mapquest lookup.

Of course, this could be used to mislead the characters into a search of one area only to have it be sitting in the other.
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post Oct 23 2003, 05:29 PM
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Okay, a new way to look at it - what about those remains on mars? It did create a rift, and mars has atmosphere, and possibly enough organic matter (dead or otherwise) to create a manasphere.

Just a thought to throw in the mix...
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post Oct 23 2003, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (spotlite)
Okay, a new way to look at it - what about those remains on mars? It did create a rift, and mars has atmosphere, and possibly enough organic matter (dead or otherwise) to create a manasphere.

Just a thought to throw in the mix...

I thought those pics where fake , or was that the one real one in the set ?
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post Oct 23 2003, 06:17 PM
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must've missed where that was revealed. Can you tell me where to look? message me if its not safe for 'public' consumption (i.e. pesky players!)
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