 Street Magic Errata, your help is appreciated |
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 Dec 24 2006, 04:56 AM
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Canon Companion  Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187  |
Don't forget to clarify/errta the Asartu/Norse tradition. Whether it is Earth or Beast spirits for Manipulation.
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Dec 24 2006, 11:21 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 79 Joined: 18-September 05 Member No.: 7,758 |
whoops sorry. Pg. 96-98 in the spirit stat blocks. |
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Dec 26 2006, 12:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Thanks, yesman. :ok:
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Jan 4 2007, 05:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
Just noticed - in the section on Focus Addiction, reference is made to Focus Addiction tests (captilized as such). Does this mean there were going to be rules for such and that they were left out? If so, perhaps this is something to add in the errata or as a bonus on the website?
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Jan 4 2007, 05:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Reread the entry. It says it's a variant of the Addiction rules (SR4 p. 80), but also read what the effects are on pg. 27 in Street Magic.
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Jan 4 2007, 06:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
No offense, but did so. Are foci then a mental addiction, physical addiction, or something else? Further, what threshold are we talking for said tests (SR4 page 248)?
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Jan 4 2007, 06:56 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
We can rule out physical, since the description of physical addiction in the BBB specifically refers to chemical dependence. That leaves Mental, or "something else" and I have a feeling that if they'd meant for it to be "something else" they would have taken the time to spell it out. As for the threshold used, it's the same threshold that you have for hackers who overuse Hot Sim VR immersion: Unstated, but apparently left to GM discretion. The design philosophy behind the Addiction rules is geared to letting the GM decide what level of addiction is right for their own group. |
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Jan 4 2007, 08:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 5-September 05 From: LAX, UCAS Member No.: 7,687 |
I gathered as much, but was hoping for a little more clarfication in this case :( |
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Jan 29 2007, 11:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
Page 14, THE OTHER SIDE, 1st paragraph:
Wrong: While you're our there... Right: While you're out there... Page 23, Adepts, 8-9th line: Wrong: Some ad-epts abilities... Right: Some a-depts abilities... Reason: Accoding to my dictionary the word adept should never be divided as it is less than 5 letters long. By adding the "s" at end you break that rule, and should thus divide "by syllables or units of sound", and thus a-depts instead of ad-epts. But this break another rule "never divide a word so that one of the parts is a single letter". Best solution is proberly never to divide the word adept. Page 27, Geas, 4th paragraph: Wrong: ... see Acquiring Geasa in Play, p. 29). Right: ... see Acquiring Geasa During Play, p. 30). Page 29, SYMPATHETIC LINK, last paragraph: Wrong: ... Sympathetic Link Modifiers table (p. 27). Right: ... Sympathetic Link Modifiers table (p. 29). Page 29, Symbolic Links, 2nd paragraph: Wrong: ...Symbolic Link Creation table (p. 27)... Right: ...Symbolic Link Creation table (p. 29)... Page 39, THE NORSE TRADITION: The "Spell Category: Spirit Type" table doesn't seem to match with the description of the spirist: Table: Combat: Guardian Detection: Water Health: Fire Illusion: Air Manipulation: Beast Description: Those that can cross to Midgard are the fire giants of Muspellheim (fire spirits), the dark fae of Niffellheim (spirits of water), the dwarves of Nidavellir (earth spirits), the storm spirits of Thrudheim (air spirits), and the Valkyrie (guardian spirits). In fact the dwarves of Nidavellir seem to be much more like the Task spirits than any other type of spirit. Page 50, BEYOND THE DORS OF PERCEPTION, 1st paragraph: Wrong: ...the metaplanes of astral space (see p. 130). Right: ...the metaplanes of astral space (see p. 128). Page 51, Geas, 3rd line: Wrong: Choose a geas from the options available on p. 26... Right: Choose a geas from the options available on p. 27... Page 55, BASIC METAMAGIC TECHNIQUES: Wrong: Great Ritual p. 57 Right: Great Ritual p. 57 Page 57, GREAT FORM POWERS, table: Wrong: Air: Storm (see p. 103) Wrong: Fire: Storm (p. 103) Wrong: Water: Storm (p. 103) Right: Air: Storm (see p. 102) Right: Fire: Storm (p. 102) Right: Water: Storm (p. 102) Page 58, Sympathetic Linking: Wrong: ...(see Sympathetic Links, p. 28). Right: ...(see Sympathetic Links, p. 29). Wrong: ...(see Symbolic Links, p. 28). Right: ...(see Symbolic Links, p. 29). Page 60, line 3: Wrong: ...as a sympathetic link (p. 28). Right: ...as a sympathetic link (p. 29). Page 65, THE GROUP BOND, 3rd paragraph: Wrong: ...as sympathetic links (p. 28) to... Right: ...as sympathetic links (p. 29) to... Page 73, PATHFINDERS, Description and Customs: Wrong: Investigation plays an important a role in their mission... Right: Investigation plays an important role in their mission... |
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Jan 29 2007, 01:45 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Been clarified already. Manipulation was supposed to be Earth but Beast was mixed in because of the Bear Sarks got added into the tradition as well. |
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Feb 10 2007, 11:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
More errata for SM:
Page 81, Fetishes and Talismans, 2nd paragraph: Wrong: A talisman (see Geasa, p. 27) is... Right: A talisman (see Geas, p. 27) is... Page 84, Metamagic Enchantments, Anchoring foci paragraph: Wrong: ...(see Anchoring Triggers, p. 60). Right: ...(see Anchoring Trigger Conditions, p. 60). Page 85, Metamagic Enchantments, Symbolic link foci paragraph: Wrong: ...Symbolic Linking (p. 28)... Right: ...Symbolic Linking (p. 29)... Page 103, Ally Spirit Formula, 4th paragraph: Wrong: ...a sympathetic link (p. 28)... Right: ...a sympathetic link (p. 29)... Page 104, Creating an Ally Spirit, Step 3: Choose Powers paragraph: Wrong: ...and Sense Link (p. 55) for free. Right: and Sense Link (p. 54) for free. Page 105, Sense Link, 1st line: Wrong: ...power of Sense Link (see p. 55),... Right: ...power of Sense Link (see p. 54),... Page 108, Spirit Pacts, last line: Wrong: ...sympathetic link (see p. 28)... Right: ...sympathetic link (see p. 29)... Page 125, Alarm Ward, last paragraph: Wrong: ...(see Fooling Wards, p. 123). Right: ...(see Fooling Wards, p. 124). Page 125, Charged Ward, 1st paragraph: Wrong: ...Reflecting metamagic technique. Right: ...Reflecting metamagic technique (p. 61). Page 125, Charged Ward, last paragraph: Wrong: ...(see Fooling Wards, p. 123). Right: ...(see Fooling Wards, p. 124). Page 131, The Trials, last paragraph: Wrong: ...see Friends in High Places. Right: ...see Friends in High Places (p. 132). Page 136, Using Threats, 2nd paragraph: Wrong: ...such as shedim (p. 155)... Right: ...such as shedim (p. 154)... Page 139, Path of the Dead, 1st paragraph: Wrong: ...with shedim (see p. 155). Right: ...with shedim (see p. 154). Page 154, Hive Mind, 1st paragraph: Wrong: ...Sense Link power (p. 55)... Right: ...Sense Link power (p. 54)... Page 168, [Sense] Cryptesthesia: Wrong: [Sense] Cryptesthesia (Passive/Directional) Right: [Sense] Cryptesthesia (Passive, Directional) Page 176, Empathic Healing, 2nd last line: Wrong: Empathic Sense may only... Right: Empathic Healing may only... Page 177, Gliding: Wrong: Gliding: Right: Gliding Page 177, Gliding, last line: Wrong: ...uses the Traceless Walk power. Right: ...uses the Traceless Walk power (p. 180). Page 180, Artificer, 1st paragraph: You mention Hephaestus, Daedalus, Goibhniu and Weland, but they are not mentioned on page 183-184 under the Celtic pantheon, Classical deities or the Norse pantheon. Page 181, Dark Goddess, 1st paragraph: You mention Kali, but she is not mentioned on page 184 under the Hindu deities. Page 181, Dragon, 1st paragraph: You mention the Dragon Emperor, but he is not mentioned on page 183-184 under the Chinese mythology. Page 182, Lion, 1st paragraph: You mention Sekhmet and Durga, but they are not mentioned on page 184 under the Egyptian pantheon or the Hindu deities. Page 183, Phoenix, 1st paragraph: You mention the Phoenix Empress, but she is not mentioned on page 183-184 under the Chinese mythology. Page 187, Spell table, Test paragraph: Wrong: ...Counterspelling), (Success... Right: ...Counterspelling), or S (Success... Lars |
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Feb 11 2007, 12:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Well done, Larsine.
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Feb 18 2007, 10:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
Just found a few more after carefull inspection:
Page 37, Christian Theurgy: The "Spell Category: Spirit Type" table doesn't seem to match with the description of the spirits: Table: Combat: Fire Detection: Water Health: Air Illusion: Earth Manipulation: Guidance Description: Michael (fire), Gabriel (water), Raphael (air), Uriel (earth) and seraphim at the service of the Holy Spirit (man’s immortal soul). I would assume that Man's immortal soul = Spirit of Man, instead of Spirit of Guidance. Page 100, Inhabitation Merges, Hybrid Form: Wrong: ...single dual natured entity (p. 289, SR4). Right: ...single dual natured entity (p. 287, SR4). Page 102, Possession and Vessels, 2nd line: Wrong: ...results is dual-natured, has... Right: ...results is dual-natured (p. 287, SR4), has... Page 125, Charged Ward, 3rd paragraph: Wrong: ...“pressed through” like a standard ward (see p. 186, SR4)... Right: ...“pressed through” like a standard ward (see p. 185, SR4)... Page 141, The Toxic Path, 2nd paragraph: Wrong: ...(see Magical Associations and Drain, p. 169, SR4)... Right: ...(see Tradition, p. 169, SR4)... There is no section called "Magical Associations and Drain" in SR4. Page 147, Toxic Spirit Quick Design, Smog (Toxic Air Spirit): Wrong: Use the spirit of air as a template... Right: Use the spirit of air (p. 294, SR4) as a template... Reason: The Carnage and Contagion toxic spirits has references to their template spirit. Page 149, Evanescence, 3rd paragraph: Wrong: ...(see Passing Through Barriers, p. 185–186, SR4). Right: ...(see Passing Through Barriers, p. 185, SR4). Reason: Everywhere else you refere to Passing Through Barriers, you only refer to the starting page (p. 185). Page 151, Wasp, Last paragraph: Wrong: ...the skill of Flight and the power of Venom. Right: ...the skill of Flight (p. 286, SR4) and the power of Venom (p. 290, SR4). Page 151, Cicada, Last paragraph: Wrong:...the skill of Flight... Right:...the skill of Flight (p. 286, SR4)... Page 151, Firefly, Last paragraph: Wrong: ...the skill of Flight and the power of Confusion. Right: ...the skill of Flight (p. 286, SR4) and the power of Confusion (p. 287, SR4). Page 151, Fly, Last paragraph: Wrong: ...the skill of Flight and the powers of Pestilence (p. 154) and Immunity to Disease. Right: ...the skill of Flight (p. 286, SR4) and the powers of Pestilence (p. 154) and Immunity to Disease (p. 288, SR4). Reason for the last 4 erratas: Most other powers are refered, these should aswell. Page 154, Pestilence, 5th line: Wrong: ...as a toxin (p. 245, SR4)... Right: ...as a toxin (p. 244, SR4)... Page 164, Elemental Effects, Ice: Wrong: ...vehicles must make a Crash Test (p. 159, SR4). Right: ...Vehicles must make a Vehicle Test (p. 159, SR4). Page 168, Thermographic Vision: Wrong1: ...the cybernetic enhancement (p. 324, SR4). Wrong2: ...the cybernetic enhancement (p. 324, SR4). Right1: ...the cybernetic enhancement (p. 333, SR4). Right2: ...the vision enhancement (p. 324, SR4). Reason: Page 324 is the normal Vision enhancement, page 333 is the cybernetic version (which refers to page 324). Page 169, Fast: Wrong: ...the Disorientation effect, p. 275, SR4). Right: ...the Disorientation effect, p. 245, SR4). Page 170, Stim: Wrong:...the Disorientation effect, p. 275, SR4). Right: ...the Disorientation effect, p. 245, SR4). Page 170, Dream: Wrong: ...ritual sorcery (p. 175, SR4)... Right: ...ritual spellcasting (p. 174, SR4)... Page 173, [Element] Aura: Wrong: ...elemental damage (see p. 155, SR4... Right: ...elemental damage (see p. 154-155, SR4... Page 173, [Elemental] Wall: Wrong: ...the element (see p. 155, SR4... Right: ...the element (see p. 154-155, SR4... Page 177, Flexibility: Wrong: ...Subduing attempts (p. 151, SR4). Right: ...Subduing attempts (p. 152, SR4). Page 177, Iron Lungs: Wrong: ...fatigue sets in (p. 154, SR4). Right: ...fatigue sets in (p. 155, SR4). Lars |
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Feb 19 2007, 02:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Bravo, Larsine! *applause*
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Apr 14 2007, 12:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 163 Joined: 1-February 07 Member No.: 10,861 |
I don't know if this was intentional, but no prices were given for Talislegger kits or Enchanter's workshops. Both are something my character may become interested in acquiring.
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Apr 14 2007, 12:54 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Good spotting Pyre! *more applause*
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Apr 14 2007, 03:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 4-August 02 Member No.: 3,064 |
I've got one for you as well. I emailed this to info@shadowrunrpg.com but never got a response, so I don't know if the email was ever read.
Founding a new Initiatory Group (Street Magic, page 69). In previous editions of SR, having previous experience with an initiatory group provided a -2 reduction in the Target Number for the test. Thus, previous experience was a bonus to the check. In Street Magic, for each member of the prospective group with previous experience in an initiatory group, there is a -2 reduction in the dice pool. So in SR4, previous experience is a penalty. Is this an intentional change to the rules or an inadvertent error in the conversion from previous editions? |
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Apr 14 2007, 03:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 4-August 02 Member No.: 3,064 |
Er. With all due respect, Toturi, I find your response unclear as to which of the two options is correct. I *think* you're saying that Manipulation should still be Earth and the Bear Sark reference was accidentally mixed in. So there shouldn't be any Beast spirits. Is that right? Where is the original clarification, anyway? I've searched the forum for it but I couldn't find it. |
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Apr 14 2007, 11:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
I think the kits and workshops should be priced just like any other kit, worshop or facilty: SR4 page 322: Kit 500 :nuyen: Shop 5,000 :nuyen: Facility 100,000 :nuyen: Lars |
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Apr 14 2007, 03:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Nice spotting, Sapphire! *includes applause* |
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Apr 14 2007, 08:08 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
This is an intentional shift. However the modifier should be clearer. The -2 modifier was intended to impact only perspective members who are already initiated members of another group (meaning actively belong to another group). |
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Apr 15 2007, 10:52 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...while we're on the subject of groups. With respect to Adepts, somehow requiring Arcana skill as a prerequisite to join an adept group doesn't make sense to the concept, particularly if the character is a physad. The description of the skill and it's various specialisations all relate to spell design and conjuring/focus creation formulae and have little if anything to do with Adepts (with the exception of Mystic Adepts). I believe in the case of Physads and Social Adepts, there should have been a different criteria for the bonding process more appropriate to the nature of the character, like say a challenge combat (physads) or successfully performing some form of service for the group.
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Apr 16 2007, 04:43 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
Basically they develop a mental addiction to the focus that probably is somewhat different based on the focus. In the case of a power focus they get addicted to the rush or extra power, in the case of a sustaining focus they develop more a dependency on not needing to sustain a spell themselves. If you wish to really take it a step further, loss of said foci they have become addicted to could cause a crisis of faith and the character could potentially have to pick up a geas. My reasoning for this being that they don't believe they have the extra power they once had and are now useless. |
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Apr 20 2007, 03:07 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Page 44, The Speaker's Way:
Wrong: ...the aleph of every group and social network. Right: ...the alpha of every group and social network. This may be ethnocentric of me, but don't we generally use the first letter of the greek alphabet rather than the hebrew alphabet to denote the dominant of a pack? |
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Apr 20 2007, 04:39 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
Aleph can also mean centre point, the thing the networks would revolve around. Alpha would imply leader.
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