 Street Magic Errata, your help is appreciated |
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 Apr 20 2007, 04:57 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856  |
Hummn, that definition does not come up at merriam webster online at:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/aleph or Dictionary.com at: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aleph |
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Apr 20 2007, 05:05 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Ophis is correct although this usage comes from a literary reference (possibly a bit obscure for most people - just cause SR is fun it doesn't have to be low-brow), a term coined by Jorge Luis Borges in one of his short stories (and obviously referencing the metaphysical and qabbalistic usage of the hebrew letter "aleph"). In this particular context it refers to the "first point" (hence the use of hebrew ), the center point from which all the universe is visible, the primal point to which all things connect (actually it's more complicated than that but I don't have the time).
Borges is up there with Eco as one of my fave literary authors. |
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Apr 20 2007, 05:25 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,206 Joined: 9-July 06 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 8,856 |
Hummn, now you've got me curious. I found this:
I'll have to keep digging though . . . |
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May 4 2007, 03:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 718 Joined: 10-September 05 From: Montevideo, in the elusive shadows of Latin America Member No.: 7,727 |
I have read that short story, I think the aleph is an object / point in space / symbol.
The aleph makes the concept of distance dissappear: i.e. everything at the same place Can't be sure if I explained it correctly, Borges is deep. Cheers, Max |
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May 15 2007, 10:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,266 Joined: 3-June 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,638 |
I couldn't find this issue addressed in the FAQ or in any threads, so I decided to put the excellent minds at Dumpshock to work with my own post.
One of my players brought something up with some spells he wanted to make. Can the touch range modifier be stacked with the extremely restricted target (caster only) modifier? If no, there'd be no point in taking "caster only" as the drain modifier is the same. If yes, you can wind up with some very silly drain modifiers for still quite potent spells. I'm inclined to say they don't stack, but the touch modifier is not asterixed, unlike restricted and very restricted target, and as I mentioned, there'd be no point taking very restricted target when a spell was also going to have a touch only modifier. As an extension to this question, how does the "very restricted target (self only)" drain modifier stack with health spells, which are by their nature touch only? |
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May 15 2007, 07:45 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
I believe that if one took the text literally, then they would, indeed, stack.
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May 29 2007, 11:22 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Here's a nifty one.
I haven't been able to find anything in either the BBB or SM that states that materialized critters (including spirits) are dual-natured. There's an implication in the rulebook on page 286 ("Astral critters that materialize can affect physical targets, however, just as dual-natured critters can interact with both the physical and astral planes equally effectively."), and an oblique reference in one of the NERPS sections of Street Magic on page 92 ("Even when a spirit materializes into our world, it still exists primarily as an astral creature."). I pity the newbie that must puzzle this out alone. |
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May 30 2007, 12:01 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Here you go.
I agree, this really should be stated under the Materialisation power description. Still, one less thing to errata at least. ;) |
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May 30 2007, 11:53 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Oh, good. Thanks. Odd that it didn't come up when I searched "dual-natured" ... wait, no it's not. The book uses the hyphen inconsistently.
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Jul 10 2007, 08:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 28-May 04 From: Moorhead, MN, USA Member No.: 6,367 |
p. 171 Stench Range should be LOS(A) instead of LOS
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Jul 10 2007, 02:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Thanks, Da9iel. :)
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Oct 26 2007, 07:06 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,116 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
Well, I can't find the answer to this anywhere, so please forgive me if a FAQ or errata file exists that I haven't found.
In SM, page 51 under Initiatory Ordeals -- Meditation, two Extended Tests are required: 1) Body + Willpower (Charisma X Strength, 1 day) 2) Logic + Agility (Intuition X Reaction, 1 day) Are the multiplication signs in the Threshold values correct, and not, say, addition signs? It seems to me the Thresholds would be prohibitive, especially since the Extended Tests must be completed in (desired grade X 4) days. It would get easier at higher initiate grades, but the first Extended Test especially would be difficult for many magicians, as Charisma is often high for drain or spirit control purposes. |
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Oct 26 2007, 07:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Which is why you don't do that one for your first initiation, or second, or even third. |
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Oct 27 2007, 12:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 29-August 03 Member No.: 5,553 |
"Aleph" as that sort of primal point, a "everything is one" point, is perhaps more of a play on aleph as the metaphysical representation of the divine fool. Typically aleph (in the numerological/metaphysical sense) represents either "first" (in the sense of numerical listing), or "source" (as you mentioned above). It does not typically represent any sort of ranking, as would be necessary for the Street Magic usage to make sense.
Greek letters, on the other hand, are commonly used to imply ranking. I'd be inclined to say that the word "aleph" in Street Magic should be replaced with "alpha." |
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Oct 31 2007, 10:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 17-October 07 Member No.: 13,735 |
It's been a year since this thread was started.
Has a Street Magic errata ever been compiled? I cant seem to find any links on the main website |
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Oct 31 2007, 10:58 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,838 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,669 |
Look for the Street Magic errata on Holostreets.
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Oct 31 2007, 10:59 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Yes, it has and several Street Magic related FAQ answers have already been posted.
That would be because it has yet to be posted, but will be in the near future. |
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Oct 31 2007, 11:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 246 Joined: 26-January 06 Member No.: 8,198 |
Isn't that like the soviet union joke? "Perfect Communism is just on the horizon" told to kids, the kids would look up the word horizon and find: An imaginary circle that delimits the sky and the Earth, or an extension of the plane of the observer. Why, Holostreets is due in a year! (Saturday, August 27th, 2005 at 22:26:39) I'd really like to see the SM Errata and web enhancement sooner than the 2008 predicted release of Holostreets. |
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Nov 1 2007, 12:08 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,838 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,669 |
How about they pack the errata into the pdf release of Shadows of Latin America!
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Nov 1 2007, 12:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 17-October 07 Member No.: 13,735 |
A quick question about ally spirits that I didnt see covered.
On page 105 of Street Magic is says "An ally can only attempt to break away during a rebinding ritual or if its master is incapacitated by Physical damage or Drain" What would happen if the master, do to some misfortune, has his Magic attribute reduced to 0? Granted, he couldnt enhance ally again and couldnt oppose an attempt by the ally to break free. |
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Nov 1 2007, 01:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 17-October 07 Member No.: 13,735 |
Another quick ally question.
Can a mage have more then one Ally Spirit? I cant find anything in Street Magic that says they cant. |
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Nov 1 2007, 02:07 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
technically there is no such limitation. one of the authors (in particular i believe it was franktrollman, who did the spirits section iirc) mentioned the only reason it wasn't specifically limited is because it wasn't specifically limited in earlier editions... the intention has supposedly been (starting from way back when they were introduced) to allow only 1 ally, but that restriction has never actually made it into the rules. |
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Nov 1 2007, 02:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 17-October 07 Member No.: 13,735 |
The devil is always in the details... hehe |
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Nov 1 2007, 09:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
WHAT? You found my hiding-spot! Drat!
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Nov 1 2007, 11:21 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
There is no such limitation in Street Magic (or in fact in any prior edition) and this is intentional. Please note though that acquiring an Ally now adds the cost of a Metamagic (compared to previous editions) and producing the appropriate formula, so invest wisely.
Though the magician has burned away his Gift the ally is still bound to its summoner. Should the magician mistreat the ally or otherwise make it seek freedom then it's up to the gamemaster whether to allow the spirit to attempt to break free (using the standard rules on p.105) outside the normal circumstances of play. |
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