 Thinking of a new bit of Cyberware., Well, not new so much as handy. |
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629  |
Bodyware: AR Manipulators
Similar to AR gloves, only implanted, AR Manipulators are usually found for those who need to interact with AR whenever, and wherever, they are. Most users prefer relatively minor implants in the fingertips and forearms, layered under the skin and out of sight, but the 'Cool kids' often have them on the outside instead, chromed up and shown off for status. AR Manipulators ... 0.1 Essence ... [1] capacity ... 1000 Y Draft version. Should the essence/capacity be doubled? Should the cost be higher? Would anyone be interested in this? Thoughts, overall? |
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Oct 22 2006, 07:36 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Why? You just tap into the tactile nerves upstream. In order to make working cyberlimbs you have to already know what the brain is expecting when your fingers touch something. |
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Oct 22 2006, 08:52 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: 19-April 06 Member No.: 8,483 |
See, what I don't get is why you need AR gloves when you've got simsense to begin with? If you're a hacker, you've got a sim module on your deck, wouldn't that also work for AR, allowing you to type on a virtual keyboard, or anything else you want for that matter?
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Oct 22 2006, 09:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729 |
Well, really, you don't.
But not everyone is a Hacker with rating 4-5 in the Electronics skillgroup. Joe Average, with his 1 computers probably doesn't know he can get full AR with the Sim Module that comes standard with his commlink. In fact, the companies that make them have a very good reason to convince him that it's simply Not Good Enough, and would he like to improve his AR experience with these nifty AR gloves that, hey, we just happen to have behind the counter? And don't you want to wire your entire wardrobe while you're at it? What, an electrode headset? Haven't you ever heard of Trode Itch? A discerning customer such as yourself certainly wouldn't want an unsightly rash, would you? Of course not. Nanopaste? Didn't you hear? The UniOmni Medical association has determined it'll give you terminal skin-failure. What sort of saleman would I be if I let that happen to my customers... Perhaps you'd like to talk to our in-house surgeons? We're running a deal this week on sense link implants... Although, speaking of implants and the hassle of having to re-configure or re-apply your trode sets whenever you take them off, I wonder why there isn't an option to get the electrodes implanted subdermally (or tattoo'd in). The reception through your skull would have to be even better w/o skin and hair getting in the way, and since they're not wired to anything but themselves, there'd be no resultant essence loss, as there is with a datajack. |
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Oct 22 2006, 02:30 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
I´ll take an internal simlink module if you don´t cut the price.
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Oct 22 2006, 04:17 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 9-December 03 From: Greenville, SC Member No.: 5,889 |
As far as I know, you don't need both. To interact with AR you need a comlink and either
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Oct 22 2006, 10:06 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
Huh.
I was udner the impression that a Simrig was needed for VR, but, for AR, you needed the gloves and an image link. Thus the idea of making a cybergloves option. A simrig gets rid of teh need for gloves at all? Which is kind of odd, since a Simrig attachment for your commlink is, IIRC, cheaper than AR gloves. Huh. |
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Oct 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 21-July 06 Member No.: 8,928 |
For the sake of precision: A simsense module for your commlink and a DNI connection is what you need. Simrig refers specifically to the gear for recording sensory input, and I believe that even with this, to interact with VR, you'll need goggles or cybereyes, as it would be reasonable to assume by the existence of the image link retinal mod that simsense is incapable of the editing required for VR (though, of course, it is adequate for full VR, which I guess is different in that it's completely overwriting the signal rather than modifying it? If you don't have the simsense option, imagelinked eyeware is indisputably neccessary, but I would argue that a fully manual option would exist as well, for some commlinks, where one could just use the device's physical interface buttons. That'd be not so good for typing, though. |
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Oct 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
You only need a DNI link (datajack or implanted comlink) to control AR with mere thoughts.
While a sim module may be used to percieve AR, it is not necessary - any display, etc. will do. It is, however, required to experience VR. |
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Oct 23 2006, 11:41 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 24-May 03 Member No.: 4,629 |
Wow. About five different ideas of what you have to have.
Anyone have anything official-ish to trot out? Now I'm getting interested in figuring the situation out! |
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Oct 24 2006, 01:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
The SR4 BBB states that the Sim Module is used to directly experience simsense programs and VR. pg. 318
So in order to interact with AR you just need a display link of some kind (AR goggles, Image link, etc.) and a commlink. AR gloves can help you work AR without needing to use the physical or voice controls. |
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Oct 24 2006, 03:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
what does BBB mean?
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Oct 24 2006, 03:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Iraq Member No.: 1,789 |
Big Black Book, it's an older reference to SR3 days when the special edition had an all black cover. I think it goes back even further, not sure.
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Oct 24 2006, 08:12 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
SR1 was blue, SR2 and 3 were black. So it started out meaning the big blue book.
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Oct 24 2006, 09:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 870 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Athens Ga Member No.: 9,517 |
ok so it's just refering to the core book then?
What about RAW? I keep on reading that one too. |
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Oct 24 2006, 09:52 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
RAW = Rules As Written
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