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post Oct 23 2006, 11:52 PM
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post Oct 23 2006, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (LordHaHa)
Well, let me say this. It involves an insane female who is well known to (and despised by) my group of friends and a chance miscarrage. And the non-moral player is indirectly responsible for said pregnancy occuring by discouraging the female to stop taking certain medications that prevent that condition. And they did so without informing her male partner (who, as previously mentioned, is not the non-moral player). And the only reason said male is not a father at the moment is because of the chance incident, because as mentioned previously, he was in the dark about it.

Do the math. :S

That is the most confusing explination ever.
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post Oct 24 2006, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 23 2006, 06:58 PM)
That is the most confusing explination ever.

Look, it's a sensitive issue and I don't like airing dirty laundry to the whole world. The statement may not be easy to understand, but it's as clear as I want to make it. If you read it carefully, it should make sense. I did leave out something in regards to it, so it will be edited for clairfication.
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post Oct 24 2006, 12:30 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the big issue about someone in the group cheating on his spouse, or some dude getting someone else pregnant. If it ain't your wife (or girlfriend or sister), why should it affect you as much as it seems to be doing? Why would this kind of thing alone be the cause of a game breaking down. I certainly don't agree with every single life choice all of my friends make, but they are still my friends.
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post Oct 24 2006, 12:54 AM
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (LordHaHa @ Oct 23 2006, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 23 2006, 06:58 PM)
That is the most confusing explination ever.

Look, it's a sensitive issue and I don't like airing dirty laundry to the whole world. The statement may not be easy to understand, but it's as clear as I want to make it. If you read it carefully, it should make sense. I did leave out something in regards to it, so it will be edited for clairfication.

Actually, I was mostly refering to the double negative. "Discouraged her to stop" means the opposite of what you intended.


Personally, I wouldn't have have problem with an insane girlfriend intentionally getting pregnant to force me to pay child support. Some guys would, I'm sure, but I have a hard time putting myself into their shoes. I'd like to have kids sometime and I can be a real bastard when I want to be.

You see, the thing about child support payments is that they belong to the child. In this the legal guardian serves as the child's proxy because minors are not competent under the law to receive or manage these monies. However, they are most certainly the child's monies and they are to be spent in the child's name on things that benefit the child. If she spends child support payments on herself then she is guilty of embezzelment. If she uses a bank, credit card, money order, wire transfer service, or the US postal service at any point during these transactions then it is a federal crime.

Now, single mothers are rarely charged with embezzelment in connection with the mismanagment of child support payments, but it is enough to screw up six ways to sunday. All it takes is one phone call to the aproperiate social welfare agency, one custody suit, and one lawsuit filed on behalf of the child for the mismanaged funds. If she doesn't have a clear paper trail accounting for every cent she is in trouble and will probably lose custody. If they is a paper trail that suggests mismanagment then she will have to pay back the child support in full and she would lose custody and she might spend some time in jail.

And, of course, when she loses custod she'd have to make child support payments, herself.

All you have to do is give them a little rope and they will hang themselves.
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:09 AM
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I've only ever gamed with one batshit lunatic, and he never did anything grossly crazy while I was around. Let's call him Remus.

I met Remus in high school. He was a year ahead of hem. He had a lot going for him - funny, charismatic, great artist, but he was evil and enjoyed suffering, and almost everyone in his class had learned to avoid him. He had a girlfriend, a social misfit who nevertheless could have done better, but he was an abuser and she was an abusee, so they fit together very naturally.

He started out as a player in my game. That was fine; he was a bit of an attention whore and he had a strange fondness for animal characters, but I liked him and overlooked his little quirks. He tried starting his own game opposite mine, and I played in it, but it foundered - he'd taught himself to GM and he wasn't very good. It might have died, but I switched high schools around then, leaving Remus the only game master in our 300-person high school.

Half my group bailed out of Remus' game. Reports from the half that stayed are fragmentary, contradictory, and deeply weird. One witness reports playing Remus' homebrew RPG while participating in a gay orgy. Another denies the orgy, but claims they roleplayed in-game sex between animal characters. Everyone agrees that there was lots of pot involved, delivered by Remus' many creepy relatives.

After high school, external pressures broke up the group. Most of my friends moved on and acquired grown-up hobbies; they might reminisce about Durik Dragonforge and the Ten Swords of Power in private, but they'd never admit it to their banker friends. I run one Shadowrun game and play in another. And Remus? He and his lover moderate a mailing list dedicated to the exchange of gay furry muscle erotica. His art is some of the best on the list, and he gets the respect he always craved. Happy endings for everybody.

Fortune: It's not just some dude getting another girl pregnant, it's actually a bit weirder than that. Here's my parse of LordHaHa's explanation:

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
Well, let me say this. It involves an insane female who is well known to (and despised by) my group of friends and a chance miscarrage.
There's a crazy lady and a miscarriage. Remember the miscarriage, it'll be important in a few sentences. Also, the crazy lady has a boyfriend.

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
And the non-moral player is indirectly responsible for said pregnancy occuring by discouraging the female to stop taking certain medications that prevent that condition.
Some asshole RPG player that LordHaHa knows told the crazy lady to stop taking the pill, and she did...

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
And they did so without informing her male partner (who, as previously mentioned, is not the non-moral player).
...but nobody told her boyfriend, who got her pregnant by accident. Accidentally on his part, at any rate.

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
And the only reason said male is not a father at the moment is because of the chance incident, because as mentioned previously, he was in the dark about it.
But she miscarried, so everything's ok, sort of.
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the big issue about someone in the group cheating on his spouse, or some dude getting someone else pregnant. If it ain't your wife (or girlfriend or sister), why should it affect you as much as it seems to be doing? Why would this kind of thing alone be the cause of a game breaking down. I certainly don't agree with every single life choice all of my friends make, but they are still my friends.

Sir, there are more important things in life than gaming, even Shadowrun. One of them is my friends and my family. All of my friends, some of which are moral black-and-whiters and others who see shades of gray, have been disgusted by these actions (which I personally consider to be evil, if anything is) by that woman and that man. Yeah, they don't affect me personally. But I happen to believe that if some malicious affliction befalls people I know and love and put my trust in, that I should put them ahead of the game.

I do agree with you that personal problems should not affect gaming, and even though there are some background issues in my group for the most part our games are problem-free. But when horrible actions occur to people in such a brazen fashion they can't help but to affect the game, that is where it crosses the line.

My 2 :nuyen:.

Oh, and one more clarification. This loser was never in my campaign. I only said that I met him in one of my player's campaigns. So technicaly, I had no real say on the matter whatsoever. The only think I could do was vote with my feet.

Now, enough drama and ranting! Surely these aren't the only..uh..unique...players in the world. Any other stories? :)
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE (Taran)
Fortune: It's not just some dude getting another girl pregnant, it's actually a bit weirder than that. Here's my parse of LordHaHa's explanation:

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
Well, let me say this. It involves an insane female who is well known to (and despised by) my group of friends and a chance miscarrage.
There's a crazy lady and a miscarriage. Remember the miscarriage, it'll be important in a few sentences. Also, the crazy lady has a boyfriend.

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
And the non-moral player is indirectly responsible for said pregnancy occuring by discouraging the female to stop taking certain medications that prevent that condition.
Some asshole RPG player that LordHaHa knows told the crazy lady to stop taking the pill, and she did...

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
And they did so without informing her male partner (who, as previously mentioned, is not the non-moral player).
...but nobody told her boyfriend, who got her pregnant by accident. Accidentally on his part, at any rate.

QUOTE (LordHaHa)
And the only reason said male is not a father at the moment is because of the chance incident, because as mentioned previously, he was in the dark about it.
But she miscarried, so everything's ok, sort of.

That's basically it, yes.
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:11 AM
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So?
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
So?

:please:

That's it. I am done with this line of the coversation. There is zero point, and I am not going to start throwing around Molotov cocktails.
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:33 AM
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Can we please get back to dysfunctional players.
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post Oct 24 2006, 01:36 AM
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Yes, please!
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post Oct 24 2006, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (LordHaHa)
QUOTE (Fortune)
So?

:please:

That's it. I am done with this line of the coversation. There is zero point, and I am not going to start throwing around Molotov cocktails.

But gossiping is fun and, besides, it isn't like it was anything that bad. It wasn't like he was LARPing Silence of the Lambs in an authentic girl-suit.
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post Oct 24 2006, 02:16 AM
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QUOTE (LordHaHa)
That's it. I am done with this line of the coversation. There is zero point, and I am not going to start throwing around Molotov cocktails.

:please:

Right back at you.

I asked a legitimate question, but did not pry into your personal life.
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post Oct 24 2006, 03:12 AM
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My summer SR game included a pedophile and a sociopath among the players. But the pedo only had dice flung at him for watching child porn on his laptop during the game a few times, and the sociopath only stabbed one other person.

There was also the 350 lb hairy guy who happened to be a flamboyant homosexual.

And then I never exactly got the details, but after being dragged out of his house and held at gunpoint by the police, one of the players left home and moved in with one of the others...

Oh, and there was the pyro. She only started fires in my driveway twice, though. After that I hid the lighters.

Then you had moments like one of the players tackling another to the floor and dry-humping him until he almost cried. Note, this didn't include the flamboyant gay one in any way.

Then the time we had one player lying on the floor, half-conscious, rambling about the apocalypse and robots for about an hour.

And the in-game gems like "I'm sonna take a shit in the unconscious guard's mouth. I'm a troll, so it'll probably rip his throat open and kill him." And the reply, "Nah, but he'd probably suffocate."

And then one character jacking off on another while yelling "Oh Asuka! Call me stupid like you always do!" I think that's about the same time as the humping incident.

And the mage who collected bodies. And the shaman who painted his room with blood, and collecting ritual samples from the entire team. And the troll running a prostitution ring.

And then the random quotes.

"That was the most hardcore thing ever. Hardcore like punching a dragon in the fire gland so that it's head explodes."

"SHOOT HIM, SHOOT HIM, YOU STUPID SHIT. SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD."
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post Oct 24 2006, 03:19 AM
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You want creepy gamers?

To save a lot of time for those who might not want to read through all 3662 posts: This message is the winner of that RPG.net thread (at least as far as I'm concerned).

Guy who swears he's half-vampire? Big deal, every town has at least one of those guys (seriously, I know of one in mine). There's even enough of these fruits to warrant personal ads on the internets.

But how many people can say they've gamed with a genuine brazillian police death squad?

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post Oct 24 2006, 03:25 AM
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QUOTE (Sahandrian @ Oct 24 2006, 01:12 PM)
My summer SR game included a pedophile and a sociopath among the players. But the pedo only had dice flung at him for watching child porn on his laptop during the game a few times, and the sociopath only stabbed one other person.

This I consider a much bigger moral issue than worrying about whether one of my friends is banging someone else's wife.
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post Oct 24 2006, 03:30 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune @ Oct 23 2006, 11:25 PM)
QUOTE (Sahandrian @ Oct 24 2006, 01:12 PM)
My summer SR game included a pedophile and a sociopath among the players. But the pedo only had dice flung at him for watching child porn on his laptop during the game a few times, and the sociopath only stabbed one other person.

This I consider a much bigger moral issue than worrying about whether one of my friends is banging someone else's wife.

Indeed. I'll add in my defense that the dice I throw are those 5-lb 20-sided life counters from Magic.

He eventually learned to keep such things in his bedroom and never speak about them in public.

Usually.
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Yeah, I'd definitely beat severely the child porn watcher. Probably laugh hysterically at the dry-humping session though. Pyro chick would definitely get a few extra XP in my book. Gotta love those fire-starters.
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QUOTE (Sahandrian)
And then one character jacking off on another while yelling "Oh Asuka! Call me stupid like you always do!"

Sad thing is, I get that reference 100%.
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post Oct 24 2006, 03:54 AM
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QUOTE (Mr. Man)
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You want creepy gamers?

To save a lot of time for those who might not want to read through all 3662 posts: This message is the winner of that RPG.net thread (at least as far as I'm concerned).

I'd love to GM for those guys. Guns and whores and OOC murder stories just make a street-level SR game that much more authentic.

Sahandrian, players shouldn't be allowed Laptops. Laptops are for the GMs. Players get illegible 300th generation xeroxed character sheets; without enough space for knowledge skills, contact backgrounds, or equipment; and a pen to fill them in with.
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post Oct 24 2006, 04:10 AM
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Sahandrian, players shouldn't be allowed Laptops. Laptops are for the GMs. Players get illegible 300th generation xeroxed character sheets; without enough space for knowledge skills, contact backgrounds, or equipment; and a pen to fill them in with.

He's the only one. We tried it without his computer a few times.

The guy needs the dice roller from NSRCG to play, unless we want to figure out how all his rolls add up for him. And he always loses paper sheets between sessions. It wound up being less of a headache in the long run to just have him update everything in NSRCG and use the dice roller.
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QUOTE (Sahandrian @ Oct 23 2006, 10:12 PM)
My summer SR game included a pedophile and a sociopath among the players. But the pedo only had dice flung at him for watching child porn on his laptop during the game a few times, and the sociopath only stabbed one other person.

There was also the 350 lb hairy guy who happened to be a flamboyant homosexual.

And then I never exactly got the details, but after being dragged out of his house and held at gunpoint by the police, one of the players left home and moved in with one of the others...

Oh, and there was the pyro. She only started fires in my driveway twice, though. After that I hid the lighters.

Then you had moments like one of the players tackling another to the floor and dry-humping him until he almost cried. Note, this didn't include the flamboyant gay one in any way.

*etc., snip*

You know, this group sounds like it would be the perfect entry for Threats 3, if they ever put another one out.
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post Oct 24 2006, 05:05 AM
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Is there a power word to summon those players of yours from the depths of Hell, Sahandrian? It would be fun to threaten my dysfunctional players with them.

And the "Asuka" thing is from Evangelion. I have no idea why he chose then to masturbate to her...

Oh, and ESP man? He thinks he has nanobots that make it so that it doesn't hurt if he pounds his leg. And that he can slow down time so he can move fast, never mind that I can easily move faster. And that "black ops" follows him around because he tested well... And on, and on, and on.
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